Mindenkinek:

U:zletemberek re=B4sze=B4re le=B4tezik egy to:bbnyelvu: oldal, amelyen
to:keige=B4nylo:k megtala=B4lhatja=B4k a keresett kapcsolataikat. =

Magyar nyelven is olvashato=B4.

cime:
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Aki kulon kapja a TIPP-et, annak bocsanat az ismetlesert, de mostanaban
nincsen HIX errefele.

Verne "Parizs a XX-ik szazadban" cimu uj (ill. ujonnan elokerult
kezirat)
regenyenek magyar forditasat keresem. Ha letezik, egyaltalan. 

Ha valaki tudja hogyan lehet vagy megkapni, vagy megtudni hogy megvan-e,
szepen megkoszonnem.

Szerintem kezd unalmassa valni a Szabo Albert es csapata koruli vita. 
     Ugy nez ki, mintha o lett a nemzeti unnepunk hose, nem Torgyan, se nem 
     Csurka. Talan ez is volt Sz. A. celja, hogy mindenki rola beszeljen?
     Nem erdekel mit keresett Izraelben es honnan van penze 10-20 
     szorolapra. De ha mar ennyit foglalkozuk vele, tud-e valaki roviden 
     beszamolni  a programjarol, vagy mirol beszelt marcius 15-en? Azt 
     tudom, hogy botranyhos volt Antall idejeben es most is, alapitott egy 
     jobboldali (nepuralmista?) partot. O lesz a a magyar politikai elet uj 
     misztikus figuraja? 
     istvan

EXCERPTS FROM "HUNGARY LIST" - WITH SOME COMMENTS

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Date:         Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:21:52 -0800
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Sender: Hungarian Discussion List >
From: "Eva S. Balogh" >
Subject:      Re: Soros wrongdoings---a short list
To: Multiple recipients of list HUNGARY >

Ferenc Novak, I am afraid, is taking too lenient a view of the current
political mood of Hungary. He is certain, for example, that I am too
sensitive toward alleged antisemitism. Or rather, that only my friends,
acquaintances, relatives are prone to snide remarks about Jews. That is my
sampling is faulty. Certainly, my sampling was not scientific but, I am
afraid, a more scientific sampling does not bring any better results. Only a
few days ago BLA electronic news service reported the findings of the
Hungarian Gallup Institute concerning antisemitism in Hungary on the basis
of voting patterns. The results are as follows. The question inquired about
"dislike of Jews," "nem kedveli a zsidokat." The list is as follows. KFGP
voters = 12%; KDNP voters = 11%, MSZD voters = 7%; MDF voters = 6%; FIDESZ
voters = 6%;l SZDSZ voters = 4%. One's first reaction is: that's not too
bad. But then add up these percentages to get the reaction of all voters: it
is 46%. I think that's quite substantial, especially if you consider that
<<-LOOK! 46?
Csurka's MIEP voters were in counted and that only 60-odd percent of
eligible people voted.

        Let's add to that the antisemitic remarks uttered when Gyorgy
Szabad, former speaker of the house, tried to speak at the MDF meeting which
voted for Lezsak as party chief. These people were not ordinary voters--they
were party leaders of the MDF. Or, the events of the Torgyan meeting on
March 14 in front of the parliament. Antisemitic remarks were abundant in
addition to such utterings by Torgyan: liberals are not Hungarians.

        Also, Ferenc Novak is mistaken about the standing of the SZDSZ at
the moment. It is true that the SZDSZ was the second largest party in May
1994. It sure isn't today. The second largest party at the moment is Mr.
Torgyan's Smallholders, neck to neck with the MSZP (around 27 percent). The
SZDSZ which had 22% of the electorate behind it today perhaps has 10 percent
suppport.

        Ferenc Novak is not the first one who thinks that my place should
only be "history." They enjoy--they claim on the Forum--my remarks on
history but Eva Balogh is a total idiot when it comes to either political
analysis or economics. The reason, allegedly, that I was trained as a
historian and know nothing about any other subject. Well, there is a little
problem with this accusation. Before I got my degree in history I spent two
years as a student of Russian and East European Studies, an
interdisciplinary program in which I took many, many courses on political
science and economics as pertaining to the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
Too many for my taste, to tell you the truth, because I have the usual
historian's prejudice toward political science. But to be an observer of
current politics, one doesn't have to take any courses in political science.
One has to follow the news (and I do) and has to have a good nose (jo
szimat). And I think that I have a very good nose: I can assess political
situations extremely fast. In December 1993 after only a week in Hungary, I
knew that the MSZP would win the elections with an overwhelming majority. At
that time the polls still didn't indicate yet the full extent of the their
victory. I also had a very strong hunch that the SZDSZ would lose its
popularity if it joined the coalition.

>No, Eva.  Your fantasies may well seem very real to you.

        I hate to disappoint you but I am an extremely solid sort of person.
Both feet solidly on the ground. I very rarely have fantasies. Especially
not the political kind.

        Eva Balogh

=====

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Date:         Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:01:42 -0500
Reply-To: Hungarian Discussion List >
Sender: Hungarian Discussion List >
From: Janos Zsargo >
Subject:      Re: Soros wrongdoings---a short list
To: Multiple recipients of list HUNGARY >

E.Balogh wrote:

>Hungarian Gallup Institute concerning antisemitism in Hungary on the basis
>of voting patterns. The results are as follows. The question inquired about
>"dislike of Jews," "nem kedveli a zsidokat." The list is as follows. KFGP
>voters = 12%; KDNP voters = 11%, MSZD voters = 7%; MDF voters = 6%; FIDESZ
>voters = 6%;l SZDSZ voters = 4%. One's first reaction is: that's not too
>bad. But then add up these percentages to get the reaction of all voters: it
>is 46%. I think that's quite substantial, especially if you consider that
>Csurka's MIEP voters were in counted and that only 60-odd percent of
>eligible people voted.

Let us perform a simple FICTIVE calculation:
            dislike jewish          total membership         %

FKGP              12                      100                12
KDNP              11                      100                11
MSZP               7                      100                 7
MDF                6                      100                 6
FIDESZ             6                      100                 6
SZDSZ            400                    10000                 4
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL            442                    10500                4.21


Bravo Eva, bravo. Where did you learn Mathematics?

Janos

===
Comments:
(1) So much for the big lie of "experts" of SZDSZ at home and abroad.
(2) Plain to see: "Western experts" of SZDSZ are simple idiots.
(3) Same person calls dr. Endrey "senile" and dr. Gidai "nulla"!
(4) In her "profession" of history she is even more incompetent:
Claims that in the Hungarian language we never call 1956
"freedom fight" ("szabadsagharc")! Not understanding
percentages can be forgiven if she does not claim expertise
outside the field of history. Falsification of history of
Freedom Fight of 1956 will never be forgiven - it is not only
much more primitive than not understanding percentages,
but is also malicious and slanderous.
(5) Ms. Eva Balogh should use "nulla" adjective on herself,
not on others.

Ha valaki tud segiteni:

Keresem volt osztalytarsamat, Zsoldos Ferencet. Dunaujvarosban
lakott amig en tudtam, hogy most hol arrol fogalmam sincs.
Kb 43 - 44 eves lehet.

Ha valaki ismeri es tudja hol talahatom meg, (cim, telefonszam),
kerem jelezze nekem a  vagy a
 cimen.

Elore is koszonom.

//Laszlo

G wrote:
> 
> Szia!
> 
> (1) gazda
> 
> Isn't there any relation to the German words "Gast" (guest) and "Gastgeber" (
host)?
> 
> At least, there is a phonetic similarity: gazda - Gast - host...
> 
> Romanians also borrowed the Hungarian "gazda". The general meaning is "host".
 The
> peculiar meaning "wealthy peasant" (in German "Grossbauer" or in Hungarian/Ru
ssian
> "kulak") is, AFAIK, known only in (W-)Transylvania.
> 
> (2) safarkodik
> 
> Does the meaning of this verb refer only to economic matters?I've just found 
in out library (Stanford U.) a work titled: Ungarische 
Einflusse in der Terminologie das offentlichen Lebens der Nachbarsprachen 
by G. Schubert. (Hungarian influences in the terminology in the public 
life of the neighbor languages). Concerning the word "gazda" the author 
shows how it was borrowed by Hungarians from Slavic, how it acquired new 
connotations (reflecting the political, social, economic relationship of 
the ethnic groups within the Hungarian Kingdom and the Dual Monarchy, 
etc.) and how it waas re-borrowed by the Hungarians' Slavic neighbors, 
and the modifications that took place in its connotations -after 
it was reborrowed- amongst the various Slavic "borrowers" (7 pages of 
discussion, ranging from gazda's and its inflections from Serbo-Croation, 
through Slovak, to Romanian). I quote only the opening paragraph 
(beginning on page 328):
"3.110 gazda "Wirt, Verwalter, Brotgeber" (Et. Das Wort wird im 
allgemeinen aus dem Slaw. hergeleitet, wobei von slaw. gospoda "Herberge" 
bzw. gospod "Herr, Gebieter" ausgegangen wird. Folgende Entwicklungen 
habe im Ung. stattgefunden: gospoda > gozdapa > gozda > gazda. Kniezsa 
lehnt diese Etymologie ab, da es im Ung. fur die Vokaleision in 
geschlossener Silbe kein Beispiel gebe, ferner  goszpoda, gozdapa, gozda 
im Ung., nicht belwegt seien."
Incidentally there are literally hundreds of Hungarian words that have 
influenced the everyday life of the languages of Hungary's neighbors. And 
there are amongst them scores that like gazda were originally borrowed 
from them and then reborrowed by the neighbors and put to new use.

Kedves Bara=B4tom!

Ve=B4gre  ra=B4tala=B4ltam egy olyan honfita=B4rsra is, aki ta=B4je=B4kozot=
t, e=B4s
megtanult gondolkodni.


 wrote:

> =

> Kedves Barataim!
> =

> Szomoru viszont, hogy meg mindig vannak olyanok akik egymast
> oktalanul vadoljak, sot egyesek meg tragar szidalmaktol sem
> riadnak vissza. Nem jut eszu:kbe ma=B4s. Meg kell e=B4rtened: nem e=B4rti=
k (me=B4g).

> Barmennyire is elfogadhatatlan egyesek szamara, ezen a foldon
> elnek zionistak akik mindenkit el akarnak tenni lab alol kiveve
> a zsidokat. De elnek olyanok is akik mindenkit kinyirnanak,
> kiveve az arjakat,... feketek is akik a feherek verere szomjaznak... =

> Ezeket az embereket egyelore nem lehet a holdba loni
> velunk egyutt elnek es pontosan annyi joguk van az elethez mint
> egy ma szuletett csecsemonek. Rengeteget lehet viszont tanulni
> toluk, elsosorban turelmet! ...Ehhez alig lehet hozza=B4fu:znivalo=B4m. C=
sak annyi: igy igaz.

> Nincsenek "fasiszta disznok, nacik, cionistak"
> vannak viszont tudatlan iranyt vesztett emberek. Ez a kor
> kulonosen kedvez a tudatlanoknak. Keves kivetellel ok foglaljak
> el a legfontosabb allami es uzleti poziciokat. Ma mar csak
> kevesse igaz, hogy a tudas hatalom, a penz lepett tudas helyebe.
> (Itt most nem feltetlenul targyi tudasra gondolok.)Tudod is, hogy mie=B4r=
t? Tudod, hogy mie=B4rt uralnak a "tudatlanok"?
Magyarorsza=B4gon is a tanya=B4kro=B4l szedte=B4k o:ssze az AVO-sokat.
Azoknak mindent be lehetett magyara=B4zni, e=B4s mindenre ke=B4pesek voltak=
=2E

> Kivalo peldat tudnek ajanlani azok szamara akik igazan szivukon
> viselik a magyarsag ugyet. Akit erdekel tanulmanyozza egy kicsit
> a tibeti nep tortenetet. Nagyon hasonlit a magyarsag sorsahoz.BINGO!

> A kinai otthonlapon affele
> barbar rabszolgatartoknak vannak titulalva. (Nem emlekeztet ez a
> roman ill. szlovak propagandara?)Vajon mie=B4rt fe=B4lnek a kinaiak annyi=
ra a Tibetiekto:l?

> Annak, hogy Tibet ismet onnallo legyen nincs eselye. De a tibeti
> kultura, nyelv es a nep meg van mentve. Tibeti intezetek
> alakulnak szerte a vilagban annak ellenere, hogy a tibetiek
> koldusszegenyek. Vajon mi lehet a titka ennek a csodalatos
> eredmenynek...?Ha=B4t, csoda=B4k to:rte=B4nnek. Tu:relem aranyat terem.
> Lehet talalgatni, kivancsi vagyok a valaszokra!
> =

> K.E.A va=B4laszok: Huh, sokat lehet erre va=B4laszolni, de a legto:bbet m=
a=B4r
elmondtad. Tudtad pe=B4lda=B4ul, hogy ki tette ismertte=B4 a Tibetieket
vila=B4gszerte? A kedves "KO.ro:si - Csoma - Sa=B4ndorunk", aki kereste
a magyarok eredete=B4t, e=B4s a Tibetiekne=B4l lyukadt ki. Ira=B4sai alapja=
=B4n
figyeltek fel elo:szo:r a Tibetiekre Amerika=B4ban e=B4s euro=B4pa=B4ban.

Sok mindent irhatne=B4k, de u=B4gy e=B4rzem, hogy nem sikeru:l ro:viden
e=B4s e=B4rtheto:en leirnom. A Tibetiek ma=B4r mindig is komoly tiszteletet=

e=B4lveztek, re=B4szben re=B4szei titkos szervezetek tanulma=B4nyainak is.
Igy pl. a THULE szervezetnek ( nem a ne=B4v a fontos ), amely Hitler
ha=B4ttere=B4t is alakitotta. Arro=B4l besze=B4lnek, hogy van egy =

"kulcso:rzo:ju:k", aki az "Agarthi (=3DAriana)" beja=B4rata=B4hoz vezeto:
utat ismeri. Gondoljunk csak az "ARIANE" rake=B4ta=B4ra...

Ele=B4g ennyi, de mi okuk lehet a kinaiaknak ennyire durva=B4n elba=B4nni e=
gy
be=B4ke=B4s  e=B4s  "le=B4nyegtelen" ne=B4ppel? Mito:l fe=B4lnek?

Ne hagyjuk magunkat uszitani. Minden uszita=B4snak megvan a ha=B4ttere.
Ne legyu:nk tehenek!

U:dvo:zlettel,

                  Angel

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> Azert kivancsi lennek ki fizeti Szabo Albertek produkcioit, amivel olyan
> szepen, szinte megrendelesre sarozzak be a jobboldali tunteteseket.
> Mert az tuti, hogy az a par skinhead nem a Szabo szep szemeert jelenik
> meg ott ahol epp "kell".  No meg azoknak a szorolapoknak a kinyomtatasa
> is belekerul azert valamibe.  Hogy-hogy nincs egy szemfules es eber
> riporter pl. a volt Partlapnal, aki kinyomozna Szaboek penzforrasait.
> Mert ahogy itt mondjak: "follow the money trail."
> PJ

Ezen csak a "csendes" la=B4zada=B4s segit. Magyarorsza=B4gnak annyiban =

szerencse=B4s, hogy felismerheto: a baj. A nyugati orsza=B4gokban ma=B4r =

elveszitette=B4k az a=B4ttekinte=B4st. Nincsen valahol egy o:sszefoglalo=B4=
 =

ta=B4rola=B4sa ezekro:l a "ferde" eseme=B4nyekro:l ?
Ki tud ilyen gyu:jto:tt anyagro=B4l? =



U:dv.
             Angel


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This Saturday, 23 March from 8-12 p.m.  Live music by Ne'vtelen. $5
admission.  Refreshments included.

Trinity United Methodist Church (on the third floor)
6512 23rd Ave NW
Seattle

Dears,
I was asked to forward this message to you. Please, post your replies to 
scm or, send it directly to Johanne. Thanks.

Gotthard
--
mailto:
http://mineral.umd.edu/~gotthard/

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:01:39 -0400
From: Johanne L. Tournier >
Subject: Re: SCM: Re: Hungarians in Romania --( 8 )-- Minority culture

....


At 01:08 17/03/96 -0500, Alexander Bossy commented:
>On Mar 06, 1996 01:15:09 in article <Hungarians in Romania --( 8 )--
>Minority culture>,  (Anthony Malzanek)' wrote: 

><snip snip>

>>- Aproximately 50 statues representing Hungarian or Austrian historical   
>
>>personalities erected in public places [in Transylvania] were destroyed or
demolished   and 
>
>>became the victims of the anti-Hungarian temper: 
>
<snip snip>

And Alexander Bossy responded:

>All revolutions are accompanied by the destruction of the statues and
>symbols of the old regime a practice that can be witnessed in  the
>widespread demolision of statues of Lenin, Stalin, and other communist
>tyrants throughout Eastern and Central Europe.  While a certain
>anti-Hungarianism was no doubt part of the reason for the post-war
>destruction of Hungarian monuments, the overwhelming reason was to
>symbolize the destruction of the regime that had built and sustained those
>monuments. 
> 
>Alexander

Dear Alexander -

If it is true as you have posited that the reason for the destruction of the
Hungarian monuments was because they represented the old, hated regime
rather than because they represented Hungarians, why is it that the
Romanians spared the equestrian monument of Matthias Corvinus which is
located in Kolozsva'r/Cluj-Napoca? King Matthias is regarded by the
Romanians as being of Romanian descent, I understand. But, given your
reasoning, that statue should have been destroyed along with all the rest,
as representing the hated regime.

Respectfully,

Johanne

Johanne L. Tournier
e-mail - 

Itt küldök egy verset Kányádi Sándortól,a Herder-dijas 
erdélyi költőtől, nem márciusi hangulatú, de aktuális(oszloponként 
olvasandó):

                    Kuplé a Vörös Villamosról
                    avagy
                    abroncs nyolc plusz két pótkerékre


 holtvágányra döcögött végül          hát sic tranzit glória mundi
 a kopott vörös villamos              a dicsőség igy múlik el
 kalauz és vezető nélkül              honnan lehetett volna tudni
 döcögött holtvágányra végül          hogy sic tranzit glória mundi
 a kopott vörös villamos              a dicsőség igy múlik el

 nem volt rakva virágos néppel        s itt állunk ismét mint az ujjunk
 bezzeg amikor érkezett               sok hite-volt-nincs nincstelen
 biborló szinben sok beszéddel        a magunk kárán kell tanulnunk
 meg volt rakva virágos néppel        'ismét itt állunk mint az ujjunk'
 bezzeg amikor érkezett               sok hite-volt-nincs nincstelen 

 vöröslött de amint utólag            s tülekedünk egymásnak esve
 utólag minden kiderül                ha jön a volt-már villamos
 biborát nem a pirkadó nap            sárgára avagy zöldre festve
 vértől vereslett mint utólag         tülekedünk egymásnak esve
 utólag minden kiderül                ha jön a volt-már villamos
             
 mint a görög tragédiában             félre ne érts a dalom testvér
 belül történt mi megesett            nem sirató csak szomorú
 a szinen csak siránkozás van         nem szeretném ha lépre mennél
 mint a görög tragédiában             félre ne értsd 'ismét'/lem testvér
 belül történt mi megesett            nem sirató csak szomorú

                     
                       Mellékdal a pótkerekekre

de holtvágányra döcögött-e            s nem lesz-é vajon visszatérte
vajon a veres villamos                boldog aki nem éri meg
eljárt-e az idő fölötte               halomra halnak miatta s érte 
és holtvágányra döcögött-e            'most is ha lenne visszatérte'
vajon a veres villamos                boldog aki nem éri meg

                         Stuttgart, Schloss Solitude,1992. március 5.-7.

In article >, Brad Smith > writes:
>REWARD OFFERED FOR TERRORIST MAJED AL-MOLQI
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>Sometime in late February or early March, Majed Al-Molqi, the leader of the 
>commando team that hijacked the Cruise Ship Achille Lauro in Italy in 1985, 
>escaped Italian custody while on furlough from prison.
>
>Al-Molqi was convicted in an Italian court for the 1985 hijacking and for the 
>murder of U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer, who was shot and then pushed 
>overboard in his wheelchair.
>
>The U.S. Government is offering a reward of up to $2 million dollars for 
>information leading to the recapture of Al-Molqi in any country.  Persons 
>with information of Al-Molqi’s whereabouts should contact the nearest United 
>States Embassy or Consulate or write to:
>
>HEROES
>P.O. Box 96781
>Washington, DC 20090-6781
>
>View our Web page on the Internet at:  http://www.heroes.net


PISS OFF, cowerds.


> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Qur'aankuu macbuud soo dajee malag u soo dhiibay
murtidaa rasuulkiyo sunnaha lagu macnaynaayo
inaan midigta saarroon wax kale maya nidhaa weeye.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article >,
 > wrote:
| EXCERPTS FROM "HUNGARY LIST" - WITH SOME COMMENTS
| 
| X-Sender: 
| Mime-Version: 1.0
| Date:         Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:21:52 -0800
| Reply-To: Hungarian Discussion List >
| Sender: Hungarian Discussion List >
| From: "Eva S. Balogh" >
| Subject:      Re: Soros wrongdoings---a short list
| To: Multiple recipients of list HUNGARY >

| 
| Bravo Eva, bravo. Where did you learn Mathematics?
| 
| Janos
| 

OK .. she had her math screwed up.
| ===
| Comments:
| (1) So much for the big lie of "experts" of SZDSZ at home and abroad.
| (2) Plain to see: "Western experts" of SZDSZ are simple
idiots.

What do you base these on? WHen was she claimed as an SZDSZ
expert on statistics?

| (3) Same person calls dr. Endrey "senile" and dr. Gidai
"nulla"!

And you are the same person who cal lher incompetent while
having nothing to support your points 1 and 2... 
go 

| (4) In her "profession" of history she is even more incompetent:
| Claims that in the Hungarian language we never call 1956
| "freedom fight" ("szabadsagharc")! Not understanding
| percentages can be forgiven if she does not claim expertise
| outside the field of history. Falsification of history of
| Freedom Fight of 1956 will never be forgiven 

How is this falsification of history? 

- it is not only
| much more primitive than not understanding percentages,
| but is also malicious and slanderous.
| (5) Ms. Eva Balogh should use "nulla" adjective on herself,
| not on others.

HOw about you? Should you use it on others and not yourself?

In article >, Brad Smith > writes:
>REWARD OFFERED FOR TERRORIST MAJED AL-MOLQI
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>Sometime in late February or early March, Majed Al-Molqi, the leader of the 
>commando team that hijacked the Cruise Ship Achille Lauro in Italy in 1985, 
>escaped Italian custody while on furlough from prison.
>
>Al-Molqi was convicted in an Italian court for the 1985 hijacking and for the 
>murder of U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer, who was shot and then pushed 
>overboard in his wheelchair.
>
>The U.S. Government is offering a reward of up to $2 million dollars for 
>information leading to the recapture of Al-Molqi in any country.  Persons 
>with information of Al-Molqi’s whereabouts should contact the nearest United 
>States Embassy or Consulate or write to:
>
>HEROES
>P.O. Box 96781
>Washington, DC 20090-6781
>
>View our Web page on the Internet at:  http://www.heroes.net

From:The Committee for the Defence of Somali Affairs....

Listen my friend Somalis are neither stooges nor perform any spying activities 
for you(The US or anyone else for that matter) so, please take your $2 million 
dollars to hell. 

The CDSA would also like to inform all the non-somali users in this cave that
we, the Somalis are no longer a member of:-
1- The UN
2- OAU
3- Arab League
4- Islamic Conference Organization

so, please don't waste your time in posting anything that doesn't concern
directly the interest of the Somali people.

Nabadgelyo.

Szerintem kezd unalmassa valni a Szabo Albert es csapata koruli vita. 
     Ugy nez ki, mintha o lett a nemzeti unnepunk hose, nem Torgyan, se nem 
     Csurka. Talan ez is volt Sz. A. celja, hogy mindenki rola beszeljen?
     Nem erdekel mit keresett Izraelben es honnan van penze 10-20 
     szorolapra. De ha mar ennyit foglalkozuk vele, tud-e valaki roviden 
     beszamolni  a programjarol, vagy mirol beszelt marcius 15-en? Azt 
     tudom, hogy botranyhos volt Antall idejeben es most is, alapitott egy 
     jobboldali (nepuralmista?) partot. O lesz a a magyar politikai elet uj 
     misztikus figuraja? 
     istvan

Kedves Bara=B4tom!

Ve=B4gre  ra=B4tala=B4ltam egy olyan honfita=B4rsra is, aki ta=B4je=B4kozot=
t, e=B4s
megtanult gondolkodni.


 wrote:

> =

> Kedves Barataim!
> =

> Szomoru viszont, hogy meg mindig vannak olyanok akik egymast
> oktalanul vadoljak, sot egyesek meg tragar szidalmaktol sem
> riadnak vissza. Nem jut eszu:kbe ma=B4s. Meg kell e=B4rtened: nem e=B4rti=
k (me=B4g).

> Barmennyire is elfogadhatatlan egyesek szamara, ezen a foldon
> elnek zionistak akik mindenkit el akarnak tenni lab alol kiveve
> a zsidokat. De elnek olyanok is akik mindenkit kinyirnanak,
> kiveve az arjakat,... feketek is akik a feherek verere szomjaznak... =

> Ezeket az embereket egyelore nem lehet a holdba loni
> velunk egyutt elnek es pontosan annyi joguk van az elethez mint
> egy ma szuletett csecsemonek. Rengeteget lehet viszont tanulni
> toluk, elsosorban turelmet! ...Ehhez alig lehet hozza=B4fu:znivalo=B4m. C=
sak annyi: igy igaz.

> Nincsenek "fasiszta disznok, nacik, cionistak"
> vannak viszont tudatlan iranyt vesztett emberek. Ez a kor
> kulonosen kedvez a tudatlanoknak. Keves kivetellel ok foglaljak
> el a legfontosabb allami es uzleti poziciokat. Ma mar csak
> kevesse igaz, hogy a tudas hatalom, a penz lepett tudas helyebe.
> (Itt most nem feltetlenul targyi tudasra gondolok.)Tudod is, hogy mie=B4r=
t? Tudod, hogy mie=B4rt uralnak a "tudatlanok"?
Magyarorsza=B4gon is a tanya=B4kro=B4l szedte=B4k o:ssze az AVO-sokat.
Azoknak mindent be lehetett magyara=B4zni, e=B4s mindenre ke=B4pesek voltak=
=2E

> Kivalo peldat tudnek ajanlani azok szamara akik igazan szivukon
> viselik a magyarsag ugyet. Akit erdekel tanulmanyozza egy kicsit
> a tibeti nep tortenetet. Nagyon hasonlit a magyarsag sorsahoz.BINGO!

> A kinai otthonlapon affele
> barbar rabszolgatartoknak vannak titulalva. (Nem emlekeztet ez a
> roman ill. szlovak propagandara?)Vajon mie=B4rt fe=B4lnek a kinaiak annyi=
ra a Tibetiekto:l?

> Annak, hogy Tibet ismet onnallo legyen nincs eselye. De a tibeti
> kultura, nyelv es a nep meg van mentve. Tibeti intezetek
> alakulnak szerte a vilagban annak ellenere, hogy a tibetiek
> koldusszegenyek. Vajon mi lehet a titka ennek a csodalatos
> eredmenynek...?Ha=B4t, csoda=B4k to:rte=B4nnek. Tu:relem aranyat terem.
> Lehet talalgatni, kivancsi vagyok a valaszokra!
> =

> K.E.A va=B4laszok: Huh, sokat lehet erre va=B4laszolni, de a legto:bbet m=
a=B4r
elmondtad. Tudtad pe=B4lda=B4ul, hogy ki tette ismertte=B4 a Tibetieket
vila=B4gszerte? A kedves "KO.ro:si - Csoma - Sa=B4ndorunk", aki kereste
a magyarok eredete=B4t, e=B4s a Tibetiekne=B4l lyukadt ki. Ira=B4sai alapja=
=B4n
figyeltek fel elo:szo:r a Tibetiekre Amerika=B4ban e=B4s euro=B4pa=B4ban.

Sok mindent irhatne=B4k, de u=B4gy e=B4rzem, hogy nem sikeru:l ro:viden
e=B4s e=B4rtheto:en leirnom. A Tibetiek ma=B4r mindig is komoly tiszteletet=

e=B4lveztek, re=B4szben re=B4szei titkos szervezetek tanulma=B4nyainak is.
Igy pl. a THULE szervezetnek ( nem a ne=B4v a fontos ), amely Hitler
ha=B4ttere=B4t is alakitotta. Arro=B4l besze=B4lnek, hogy van egy =

"kulcso:rzo:ju:k", aki az "Agarthi (=3DAriana)" beja=B4rata=B4hoz vezeto:
utat ismeri. Gondoljunk csak az "ARIANE" rake=B4ta=B4ra...

Ele=B4g ennyi, de mi okuk lehet a kinaiaknak ennyire durva=B4n elba=B4nni e=
gy
be=B4ke=B4s  e=B4s  "le=B4nyegtelen" ne=B4ppel? Mito:l fe=B4lnek?

Ne hagyjuk magunkat uszitani. Minden uszita=B4snak megvan a ha=B4ttere.
Ne legyu:nk tehenek!

U:dvo:zlettel,

                  Angel

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In article >,
George Jalsovszky > wrote:
| A kovetkezo levelet L Dosa > kuldte marc. 21-en:
| >Subject: Re: Szatymaz
| >
| >
| >1996., marcius 18
| >
| >Kedves Barataim!
| >
| >Fiatalkoromban, jo felszazaddal ezelott, gyakran megfordultam Szatymazon,
| >ami rovid bicikli-kirandulas volt szuleim zsomboi szollojebol. Szegeden
| >szulettem, Kiskundorozsman, majd Szentesen nottem fel, maig is sok szep,
| >vagy az ido mulasa altal megszepitett, emlek fuz ahhoz a tajhoz.
| >
| >Mindezt csak azert emlitem, hogy a Szatymaz kornyekehez fuzo szalakat
| >demonstraljam. Mint az Alfoldrol Amerikaba szakadt, kilenc eve Floridaban
| >elo nyugdijas, magyar reformatus es amerikai presbiter, csatlakozni
| >szeretnek tiltakozastokhoz a szatymazi katolikus templom meggyalazasa ellen.
| >Erthetetlen, de sajnos nem egyedulallo es nem csak Magyarorszagon fordul elo
| >az ilyen minosithetetlen vandalizmus. 
| >
| >Nem tudom, hogy a rothadt korszellem szamlajara irjam-e es azt sem tudom, mi
| >a valasz az ilyen inzultusokra a vallas, a kultura, a civilizacio ellen.
| >Attol felek, hogy a lelkiismeretre, a tisztessegre apellalni nem igen jar
| >eredmennyel. Kipellengerezni az ismeretlen tetteseket hozhat talan
| >valamelyes elegtetelt, de azzal a veszellyel is jar, hogy a hozzajuk hasonlo
| >eszjarasu barbarokat buzditja arra, hogy hasonlo atrocitasokat kovessenek el
| >valahol masutt.
| >
| >Vegeredmenyben azonban nem lehet mas valasztasunk, mint hogy a
| >leghatarozottaban eliteljuk Istenhazanak a meggyalazasat, legyen az
| >katolikus, protestans, zsido, muzulman, vagy barmely mas egyhaz temploma.
| >Amennyiben ilyen termeszetu akciora vallalkoztok, engedjetek meg, hogy
| >csatlakozzam Hozzatok es hozzajarulok, hogy erre a celra a nevemet is
| >hasznaljatok.
| >
| >Meleg udvozlettel
| >
| >Dosa Laszlo
| >orvosi es tudomanyos iro
| >Amerika Hangja nyugalmazott tudomanyos szerkesztoje
| >Jupiter, Florida, USA

Egyet ertek DOsa Laszloval - ismet azzal a feltetellel hogy
azt a levelet amelyhez nevemet barki felhasznalni
szandekozik eloszor en is el szeretnem olvasni.

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       Dancing the Tales of our Past

With 40 singers, dancers & musicians
Featuring Hungarian Mezosegi and premiering Klezmer dance suite

      *  Hilary Roberts, Artistic Director  *

Program:
 o Palestinian Wedding suite
 o Lindjo (Croatian) dance suite
 o Mezosegi (Hungarian) dance suite
 o Dances of the classical jazz era
 o African songs
 o Morris dance & English Rapper sword dances
 o Klezmer music and dance suite
 o Dances of Asiz
 o Sop (traditional Bulgarian) dance suite

Saturday, April 6, 8:00 p.m.
  (preceded by talk, "Preserving Folk Arts" at 7:15)
Saturday, April 13, 3:00 & 8:00 p.m.
Sunday, April 14, 3:00 p.m.

Cowell Theater at Fort Mason Center, San Francisco
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 wrote:

>: Please remove your "faiths" from  *soc*culture*native*.

>Bruce, what the hell does this* have to do with >*soc*culture*japan?

>You hypocrite.  ;)

Trust me!  What you see is what you are, you moron!

Doo Hwan Pak

  |  ____  | 
 "@"/ ,. \`@" 
 /_| \__/ |_\ 
    \__U_/

This Saturday, 23 March from 8-12 p.m.  Live music by Ne'vtelen. $5
admission.  Refreshments included.

Trinity United Methodist Church (on the third floor)
6512 23rd Ave NW
Seattle

When is the USG going to begin hiring and retaining competent people in
the DOD, the State Department, the CIA, the NSA and the FBI to avoid these
embarrassments?  The horse has left the barn boys because the door to the
stall was left open, and a 2 million dollar reward would have been better
spent doing what I have already afforemensioned above.  
UKHAL96

I am late...I am late...for a very important date!

In article >, 
(Kriza Gyorgy) wrote:

> In article >,  
> says...
> >
> >On Mar 06, 1996 01:15:09 in article <Hungarians in Romania --( 8 )--
> >Minority culture>,  (Anthony Malzanek)' wrote: 
> >>THE SITUATION OF MINORITY CULTURE IN ROMANIA 
> >>============================================   
> >> 
> >>1. The period between 1918-1944: 
> >>============================  
> >>- Aproximately 50 statues representing Hungarian or Austrian historical 
> >>personalities erected in public places were destroyed or demolished   

> >All revolutions are accompanied by the destruction of the statues and
> >symbols of the old regime a practice that can be witnessed in  the
> >widespread demolision of statues of Lenin, Stalin, and other communist
> >tyrants throughout Eastern and Central Europe.  

> I was surprised reading your offensive lines. Do you compare Kossuth, 
> Ko"lcsey, and Ferenc Da'vid to "Lenin, Stalin and other communist 
> tyrants?" 

In America, to this day, the consumption of tea has not recovered to its pre
revolutionary war percentage. Tea was viewed as British, while coffee was
American. Silly when you think about it, but many things that are silly are
turned into symbols that people even die for.

The personal merits of Kossuth etc. don't have to be similar to those of 
Lenin for the comparison to be valid. I'm sure if you look at France's 
history, the number of statues of the Bourbon's destroyed during the 
French revolution would be more than equal to those Hungarian statues
destroyed in Transylvania. Change in government is often accompanied by
a change in statuary.

DB

-- 
Romanian Political Pages now are available
http://haven.ios.com/~dbrutus

A kovetkezo levelet L Dosa > kuldte marc. 21-en:
>Subject: Re: Szatymaz
>
>
>1996., marcius 18
>
>Kedves Barataim!
>
>Fiatalkoromban, jo felszazaddal ezelott, gyakran megfordultam Szatymazon,
>ami rovid bicikli-kirandulas volt szuleim zsomboi szollojebol. Szegeden
>szulettem, Kiskundorozsman, majd Szentesen nottem fel, maig is sok szep,
>vagy az ido mulasa altal megszepitett, emlek fuz ahhoz a tajhoz.
>
>Mindezt csak azert emlitem, hogy a Szatymaz kornyekehez fuzo szalakat
>demonstraljam. Mint az Alfoldrol Amerikaba szakadt, kilenc eve Floridaban
>elo nyugdijas, magyar reformatus es amerikai presbiter, csatlakozni
>szeretnek tiltakozastokhoz a szatymazi katolikus templom meggyalazasa ellen.
>Erthetetlen, de sajnos nem egyedulallo es nem csak Magyarorszagon fordul elo
>az ilyen minosithetetlen vandalizmus. 
>
>Nem tudom, hogy a rothadt korszellem szamlajara irjam-e es azt sem tudom, mi
>a valasz az ilyen inzultusokra a vallas, a kultura, a civilizacio ellen.
>Attol felek, hogy a lelkiismeretre, a tisztessegre apellalni nem igen jar
>eredmennyel. Kipellengerezni az ismeretlen tetteseket hozhat talan
>valamelyes elegtetelt, de azzal a veszellyel is jar, hogy a hozzajuk hasonlo
>eszjarasu barbarokat buzditja arra, hogy hasonlo atrocitasokat kovessenek el
>valahol masutt.
>
>Vegeredmenyben azonban nem lehet mas valasztasunk, mint hogy a
>leghatarozottaban eliteljuk Istenhazanak a meggyalazasat, legyen az
>katolikus, protestans, zsido, muzulman, vagy barmely mas egyhaz temploma.
>Amennyiben ilyen termeszetu akciora vallalkoztok, engedjetek meg, hogy
>csatlakozzam Hozzatok es hozzajarulok, hogy erre a celra a nevemet is
>hasznaljatok.
>
>Meleg udvozlettel
>
>Dosa Laszlo
>orvosi es tudomanyos iro
>Amerika Hangja nyugalmazott tudomanyos szerkesztoje
>Jupiter, Florida, USA
>
>
>