If I haven't sent these figures yet... Worth pondering...


>
>         GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT        NUMBER OF WORKERS      AVERAGE VALUE
>         IN BILLIONS OF CONSTANT         PRODUCING GNP          OF OUTPUT
>         1982 DOLLAR$                                         PER WORKER
>                                                             IN CONSTANT 1982
>                                                              DOLLAR$
>
>         YEAR:
>         1950=$1,203.7*****************63,377,000************$18,992
>
>         1960=$1,665.3*****************65,778,000************$25,316
>
>         1970=$2,416.2*****************78,678,000************$30,709
>
>         1980=$3,187.1*****************99,303,000************$32,094
>
>         1989=$4,117.7****************117,957,000************$34,908
>
>
>         Averaged over the same time span in constant 1982 $, wages were
>         running between $7,000 and $10,000.  Remember that's an average,
>         nationwide and in 1982 dollars.  Is it any wonder that the top
>         1% of the households in this nation control more wealth than
>         the bottom 90%?
>         "The wealth of a household, or net worth, is what it owns (including
>         stocks and bonds, housing and other real estate, checking and
>         savings accounts, and so forth) minus what it owes in debt
>         (including mortgage loans, credit card balances and business
>         loans.)
>         "By 1989, the top 1 percent (834,000 households with about $5.7
>         trillion of net worth) was worth more than the bottom 90 percent of
>         Americans (84 million households, with about $4.8 trillion in net
>         worth)."
>         "New York Times" page 1, April 21, 1992 issue.  Information based
>         on the "Federal Reserve's triennial Survey of Consumer Finances".
>         The top 1% are not the wage slaves producing the wealth.  They
>         are the owners of the stock, bonds, real estate, .....
>         the owners of the wealth and the means of producing the wealth.
>         They employ the rest of us to produce the commodities which
>         are measured by dollars and called the GNP.
>         BTW, I realize the new measurement is of the GDP.  Latest
>         figures are usually found mid-month in the "Wall Street Journal".
>         It stands to reason that if we can produce this much wealth
>         now, most of it not even coming back to us because of the
>         robbery inherit in the wage system, we could produce the
>         same amount, for ourselves, in half the time.  Onward
>         to the four hour day, probably even less.
>

(forwarded by )
>
> > FOR US CITIZENS:
> >
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > FROM: Ann J. Adams:
> > The following was sent to me by Mark Rose, UCSB, who received it via. Mark
> > Poster at UCI, via. Jon Wiener:
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >
> > A matter has come to my attention of the utmost importance to all
> > of us online.
> >
> > Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly
> > heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications
> > Decency Act of 1995"  (Senate Bill S. 314).  Basically, the
> > bill would subject all forms of electronic communication --
> > from public Internet postings to your most private email --
> > to government censorship.  The effects of the bill onto the
> > online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and
> > private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have
> > to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be
> > held criminally liable for the postings and email of private
> > users.
> >
> > Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators
> > among those who are fearful of the internet and aren't big
> > fans of freedom of speech -- ie., those who are always trying to
> > censor "pornography" and dirty books and such.  Given the
> > political climate in this country, this bill might just pass
> > unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a
> > committed political force to be reckoned with.  This, my friends,
> > is why I have filled your mailbox with this very long message.
> >
> > A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, has
> > begun spreading through the Internet.  It's easy to participate and
> > be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions below --
> > which boil down to sending a quick email message to a certain
> > address.  That's all it takes to let your voice be heard. (You know,
> > if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the average
> > citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?)
> >
> > Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online.
> > The more people sign the petition, the more the government will
> > get the message to back off the online community.  We've been doing
> > fine without censorship until now -- let's show them we don't plan on
> > allowing them to start now.  If you value your freedoms -- from
> > your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide forum to your
> > right to receive private email without the government censoring it --
> > you need to take action NOW.  It'll take fifteen minutes at the most,
> > a small sacrifice considering the issues at hand.  Remember, the age
> > of fighting for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over;
> > the time has come where the keyboard and the phone line will prove
> > mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's what you have to do to sign the petition:
> >
> > send an e-mail message to:  
> > the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows:
> > SIGNED <your online address>  <your full name>  <U.S. Citizen> (y/n)
> > eg.  SIGNED   Laura Sewell  YES
> >
> > If you are interested in signing the petition, I would highly suggest
> > investigating the details of the situation.  You can find out more on
> > the Web at    http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog    or in the newsgroup
> > comp.org.eff.talk
> >
> >
> > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------
> >

The following is of interest to those with email-only connection.
Everyone with access to a real Internet link, that is with FTP and Telnet
capabilities should use those. If you have telnet but no Usenet at your
site then connect to BBS.OIT.UNC.EDU; you'll immediately be able to
read Usenet (otherwise known as netnews), and get posting privilege once
registered by snail-mail.
 Often times you may see references to FTP archives. You can access those
via email, too - see the full document "Accessing the Internet by E-Mail
FAQ" from which I excerpt the part dealing with Usenet here. Its now-current
version can be retrieved from the HIX SENDDOC archive by sending email to
, with Subject: /new/internet-by-email-only. For availability
of later updates see the instructions enclosed at the end of this post.
Don't get discouraged if the directions for the advanced functions seem
incomprehensible when read in the documentation! Just try starting to use
the email service in question and you'll usually be helped along the way.

 As you may have guessed, my main motivation for sending this info is to
help everyone interested in soc.culture.magyar, and/or the forthcoming s.c.h
debate on news.groups, to gain access (although others may benefit as well).
Notice that the service from  does not provide
s.c.m but you can retrieve news.grops thru that. On the other hand the
 service provides most any newsgroups, s.c.m
included, but they are stored for a very short period of time so you'll
have to request articles wanted quickly before they disappear from there.

 Happy net-hunting! Please accept my apologies to those who find my
postings excessive - I think this information is needed by many, and while
I could constrain to short pointers it seems more useful to relay
somewhat self-contained pieces of documentation. From now on I do not
plan to send any contributions of substantial length to the list, so it
may return to its normal life (whatever that is ;-))...

Subject: Accessing the Internet by E-Mail FAQ
Archive-name: internet-services/access-via-email
[...]
                             USENET BY E-MAIL
                             ----------------

Usenet is a collection of over 5000 discussion groups on every topic
imaginable.  In order to get a proper start and avoid embarrasing
yourself needlessly, you must read the Usenet new users intro document,
which can be obtained by sending e-mail to:

   

with blank subject and including this line in the body of the note:

   send usenet/news.answers/news-newusers-intro

To get a listing of Usenet newsgroups, add these commands to your note:

   send usenet/news.answers/active-newsgroups/part1
   send usenet/news.answers/active-newsgroups/part2
   send usenet/news.answers/alt-hierarchies/part1
   send usenet/news.answers/alt-hierarchies/part2

Once you've handled the preliminaries, you'll need to know how to read
and contribute to Usenet newsgroups by e-mail.  To read a newsgroup, you
can use the gophermail service discussed earlier in this guide.

To obtain a list of recent postings to a particular newsgroup, send the
following lines to one of the gophermail servers mentioned previously.
Leave "Subject" blank and include only these lines in the message body.

(You must replace "<groupname>" below with the name of the Usenet
newsgroup you wish to access.  eg: alt.answers, biz.comp.services,
news.newusers.questions, etc.)

   ------- begin gophermail message (do not include this line)
   Type=1
   Port=4320
   Path=nntp ls <groupname>
   Host=info-server.lanl.gov
   ------- end gophermail message (do not include this line)

The gophermail server will send you a typical gopher menu on which you
may select the individual postings you wish to read.

Note: The gophermail query in this example is the greatly edited result of
many previous queries.  I1ve pared it down to the bare essentials so
it can be tailored and reused.

If you decide to make a post of your own,  mail the text of your post to:

            (USA)
                 (UK)

For example, to post to news.newusers.questions, you would send your
message to one of:

   
   

Be sure to include an appropriate Subject: line, and to include your real
name and e-mail address at the close of your note.

An Alternative Usenet->E-mail Method
------------------------------------

Another way to get Usenet postings by e-mail is via a special server in
Belgium.  It's a bit easier than the gophermail approach, but it carries
only a subset (about 1000) of the Usenet groups.  Send e-mail to:

  

with this command in the body of the note:

   /NNHELP

and you1ll get complete details.  If you can't wait, send the command

   /NEWSGROUPS

to get a list of the newsgroups available on the server.  If you1re even
more impatient, try something like:

   /GROUP comp.unix.aix SINCE 19941215000000

and you should get a list of postings made from 15 Dec 1994 onward.

Yet Another Usenet->E-mail Method!
----------------------------------

See the section "World-Wide Web By E-Mail" for an even easier method of
retrieving Usenet posts by e-mail!  This method is limited to the set of
newsgroups carried at the CERN server, but the selection seems to be
quite comprehensive.

* USENET SEARCHES
A new service at Stanford University makes it possible to search USENET
newsgroups for postings that contain keywords of interest to you.  You
can even "subscribe" and receive a daily list of newsgroup postings that
match your search criteria.  Send mail to  with
blank subject and HELP in the body of note for full details.

===
This document is now available from several automated mail servers.
To get the latest edition, send e-mail to one of the addresses below.

To: 
Leave Subject blank, and enter only this line in the body of the note:
  GET INTERNET BY-EMAIL NETTRAIN F=MAIL

To: 
Leave Subject blank, and enter only this line in the body of the note:
  send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email

---
Zoli , finger  for the charter of s.c.h
* Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
* form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
* Usenet: welcome to the next level.             (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

Whore   -  kurva
Asshole - seggluk
Homo    - buzi
Dyke    - buzi
Dick    - fasz
Stupid  - hulye


PHRASES
Lick my Dick                    Szopd le a faszom
Fuck you                                Fakk ju  (International now!!)



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Hungarian Utility Lymrics and Yodles Encorporated H.U. L. Y. E.  !!!!

Please restrain yourself until soc.culture.hungarian is in place:
where this sort of thing will find more of the audience it deserves.

--Greg

On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Greg Grose wrote:
> Please restrain yourself until soc.culture.hungarian is in place:
> where this sort of thing will find more of the audience it deserves.
 When great minds meet ;-). I was going to say (to you, not to the chap
who's likely hopeless): see, this kind of thing is encouraged by the "we're
MAGYAR we'll show them" attitude ;-( showed off by the newsgroup name!

 But then I thought we had dropped the thing...

Zoli , finger  for the charter of s.c.h
* Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
* form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
* Usenet: welcome to the next level.             (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

Jutka writes:

>I've been in this mail list about four days now. It seems that all you
>discuss is what it should be named.

>What did you discuss before this? I hope it was more interesting. I hope you
>get back to discussing whatever it was that you were discussing.

>Frankly, I'm getting tired of hearing whether it should be "Hungarian" or
>"Mag
>yar."

Dear Jutka,

Once upon the time we had excellent discussions on many topics. According to
many, this list used to be the best on the Usenet. Alas, it has all changed
about two weeks ago. The first sign of illness was shorter and shorter
digests--until there was nothing to discuss. And then came, what I consider,
the curse, this stupid discussion about Internet matters. More specifically,
the question of magyar versus Hungarian. I somehow suspect that Zoli Fekete,
who used to be very active on this list on political matters last year, no
longer finds Hungarian politics as fascinating as, let's say, a year ago. So
now he resorts to internet protocol (or whatever it is called).

Meanwhile fascinating political developments are taking place in Hungary but
no one pays any attention, at least not on this list. The Hungarian-language
Forum does have rigorous political discussions but, unfortunately that list
is available only to those who speak the language.

Eva Balogh

Dear Eva,
> Once upon the time we had excellent discussions on many topics. According to
> many, this list used to be the best on the Usenet. Alas, it has all changed
 I'm sorry to be nit-picking here, but before another issue gets out of
hand let me point out that this list is not really on Usenet per se (more
on this in private email, if anyone'd like).

> about two weeks ago. The first sign of illness was shorter and shorter
> digests--until there was nothing to discuss. And then came, what I consider,
> the curse, this stupid discussion about Internet matters. More specifically,
> the question of magyar versus Hungarian. I somehow suspect that Zoli Fekete,
> who used to be very active on this list on political matters last year, no
> longer finds Hungarian politics as fascinating as, let's say, a year ago. So
> now he resorts to internet protocol (or whatever it is called).
 I'd rather not make more stupid noise on how wrong you are in guessing
what's in my mind, so I just point out that this is altogether irrelevant.

> Meanwhile fascinating political developments are taking place in Hungary but
> no one pays any attention, at least not on this list. The Hungarian-language
> Forum does have rigorous political discussions but, unfortunately that list
> is available only to those who speak the language.
 Perhaps if you'd share what you think it would generate more vivid
discussion than scorning the rest of the list for not doing so. Uhm,
scratch that, I remember you don't really scorn when it sounds like that
to me, my mistake...

-- Zoli