_READ THIS FILE CAREFULLY_

Dear Friends,

 I am happy to announce that using the resources of the Bolyai
Institute, University Szeged, Szeged, Hungary, on Sep 13, 1997 a new 
mailing-list is established to serve the small Hungarian community and 
its friends in Japan by distributing and sharing information in 
connection with the everyday life and discussing Japanese and Hungarian 
culture, economy, science, art etc in general.

 An other main aim of the list is to strengthen the ties with the
Japanese people and to help the mutual understanding of our unique
culture. So participation of our Japanese friends in the discussions
of the list and participating Hungarian organized or Hungarian
related programs is strongly encouraged. It is also encouraged to 
send information, or to suggest participating in programs, events
which help building connections.

 The list is also want to help to overcome the not so trivial 
difficulties arising when one enter from the Hungarian culture to the 
_really_ different Japanese.

 The list will be absolutely open for everybody, and for discussion
of every aspect of life in Japan. The limits are our taste and the
law. On the other hand the main subjects should not be changed, and
before submitting a mail, one should always think that the age, sex,
level and subject of education, religious background, race etc could
be very diverse even on such a small list as it is.

ABOUT THE OWNER OF THE LIST

 The owner of the list: Tibor O'dor, , Department
of Mathematical Sciences, University of Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan, and
Department of Geometry, Bolyai Institute, University Szeged, Szeged,
Hungary. 

 The legal responsibility is mine. So committing illegal or criminal
action or calling for that using this list could cause me some
problem (and naturally, for you too, but that is your responsibility). 
Please, do not do that, even if you think, that you are right. If you 
are not sure, feel free to contact me:  .

I am also waiting for any kind of constructive criticism or advice regarding 
the list, personally, if possible.

 On the other hand, please notice that while using the present server
there are certain technological limits. So, we not always able to
apply the best possible or desireable solutions. 
 Sometimes malfunctions and lost of mails are possible. It seems to be a 
good strategy to save your mails, and if it is really important, to send 
to my personal address too.

 Even if you unsubscribe from the list, I also suggest to start to 
distribute the address, the subscribe and unsubscribe information,
and this file among those who are interested.

 Soon we will be officially acknowledged by the Hungarian Embassy in 
Japan, and  Embassy of Japan in Hungary as _the_ mailing list for 
Hungarians in Japan and for Japanese-Hungarian relations.

LANGUAGE

 The language of the list is Hungarian, English, and Japanese---written
in romaji. Unfortunately / fortunately---depending how advanced you are
in the art of Japanese script---kana and kanji is not supported by our 
server.

 Probably English is understandeable by most person. But knowing
several people from the starting list, I know, that there is no
common language. So, if you have important information to share with
us, send it in as much languages as possible. In case of longer
writings it is probably too much to ask. But if your contribution is 
really important, one other person can translate the text as a service 
for our community.

HOW TO USE THIS LIST? SUBSCRIBE / UNSUBSCRIBE 

Asking for help: Send a message---with empty Subject: line to the address:
        
                   

The mail (the body of your mail) is one word: 

help

If you want to subscribe (to get mails) from the list: Send a message---with
empty Subject: line to the address:

                   

The mail (the body of your mail) is two words:
subscribe japan

 If you want to unsubscribe (to remove yourself from the list, if you do not
want to get more mails, or you want to change address):
 Send a message---with empty Subject: line to the address:

                   

The mail (the body of your mail) is two words:
unsubscribe japan

And the last, the most important one: Sending messages:
Send a mail to the address 

                     

with Subject: and body (the message) whatever you think that it is
appropriate.

 Those, who received mail without subscribing to the list were put to
the list without their permission. If you want to be removed from the
list, unsubscribe, please. I cannot unsubscribe in your name, because
from now on everything is automatic. I can act only in case of
serious problems. And do not fill the list by unsubscribe messages,
please. Notice, that there is a difference in the address of sending
messages, and for submitting the commands of subscribe / unsubscribe.
 Although it seems to be a stupid note, I am sure that after half
year some of you will forget it. So, even if everything seems to be
trivial---as it is---save this file, and put it into a safe place,
and give it the name: nodelete.lst .

FOR NEW USERS:

 And a suggestion for those, who did not paricipate mailing lists
before this one. Because we cannot see eachother face by face, and
there are no immediate reaction to our mails, mailing lists are great
sources of misunderstandings. Do not forget: Internet can not only
connect us, but to separate. So, for beginners it seems to be a good
advice to read NETICETT, a lose set of rules how to behave on the
net, especially on mailing-lists. The net is full of it, so you
probably find it easily. 

 Some of the most important rules: Do not start flame wars. Do not
critcize others grammar or command of language, and their knowledge
of computers (even if you are very tempted to do so). Sometimes
English and Japanese, not mentioning Hungarian, is not the second,
but third or fourth language. Computer expertise, or speaking foreign
language is nothing to do with intelligence and especially not with
human values. If you think, that somebody commits a mistake or gave
false information, first call his or her attention for it by personal
mail. Usually it is a great possibility to learn something really new
(usually people are not so stupid as they seems to be), and if you
get through the situation well, it is a possiblity to make new
friends. Do not write lines having more than 65 characters, because some
people have very dumb terminals (I guess, from the twenties...), and
they cannot read longer lines.
And so on... If you have any questions, write me .	

We are waiting for your important contributions!

Best regards, 

Tibor O'dor

Kedves Lista,

	Teljesen egyetertek Wolf Gyurival:
1. Miert ne lehetne vitazni ezen a listan? (remelem ez a lista lesz az a
	kivetel, ahol egymas ellentetes velemenyet anyazas nelkul tudjuk
	majd vegig hallgatni)
2. Gyuri mondandojaval is teljesen egyetertek.

	Mindez azonban nem jelenti azt, hogy ne olvasnam orommel Eva
irasait. Nagyon orulok neki. De amit Gyuri irt az is megszivlelendo.

	Szerintem ne mondjuk meg egymasnak ki mit irjon. Mindenki azt
ir amit akar. Felnott emberek vagyunk, elolvassuk a kulonbozo velemenyeket,
es mindenki dont (vagy nem dont) a sajat feje szerint.

Na errol ennyi eleg is. UDV,

Horvath Pista

Kedves Mindenki,

en tiszteletben tartom Gyuri velemenyet, ha mas is igy gondolja,
abbahagyom. De ha az ujsagbol Vita lesz, gondolom, nem csak en mondom
le. Az a tapasztalatom, hogy senkit nem lehet meggyozni, ha o nem akarja
(igy nyilvan engem sem :-), kulonben is elegszer atgondoltam a dolgot,
mielott odamentem), ezert az ilyesminek semmi ertelme,viszont nagyon
unalmas, ezert a Tippen is mindig nyomogatni kell a pagedown-t.

                            Eva

Evanak:
Nagyon tetszett a burmai beszamolod, nem csak a tartalma miatt, hanem a
stilusa is lenyugozo volt: szinte magam elott lattam mindent amit
leirtal. A tartalma pedig az orszagot dicseri es az ottlako nepet (nem a
rendszert). Kivancsian varom a folytatast... Azt hiszem egyre inkabb
kezd engem is erdekelni egy burmai ut. Guczo, mit szolsz hozza?

Wolf Gyurinak:
Egyetertek veled abban, hogy az a rendszer teljes mertekben elitelendo.
Azzal viszont nem, hogy akkor teszunk jot a burmai neppel, ha soha
felejuk sem nezunk. Szerintem eppen hogy a publicitas a fontos, az, hogy
minel tobb ember lassa a sajat szemevel hogy mi tortenik ott,
beszelgessen egyszeru polgarokkal, ismerje meg  a helyzetuket. Gondolom
vagyunk egy paran, akik ha elmegyunk oda, nem Burma "turista paradicsom"
mivolta miatt tesszuk (mint Eva irasabol is kiderult, erre a celra
vannak kenyelmesebb helyek is a vilagon, kis kek medencevel a szalloda
elott :-), hanem hogy megismerjuk szepsegeivel es igazsagtalansagaival
egyutt. Ha pedig a kotelezo penzbevaltast sikerul meguszni, akkor az
amit koltunk nagyreszt megiscsak a helyi emberek zsebebe vandorol
(etelek, szallas, marionett babu).
Udvozlettel,

George

Sziasztok !

Egy problemamban szeretnem, hogy segitsegemre legyetek.
Ismereteim szerint 1989 ota Burma neve hivatalosan 
Myanmari Unio.

Ugyanakkor egyes mediumban a Burma illetve Myanmar nevek
nem kovetkezetes hasznalataval talalkoztam (pl.:Bangkok Post). 

Kerdesem: Van-e szerintetek szabaly a ket nev hasznalata  kozotti
valasztasra, vagy ugyanazon orszagot ezentul is kovetkezetlenul ket 
teljesen kulonbozo nevvel fogja mindenki illetni ?

Koszonettel:
Gabor

Sziasztok!

Volt szerencsem 3 honap szakmai gyakorlatomat egy bangkoki 
szallodaban eltoltenem. Egesz Thaifoldon meghokkenve tapasztaltam, 
hogy rengeteg a homoszexualis. Ami meg erdekesebb, hogy teljesen 
toleraljak oket, egyaltalan nincs diszkriminacio veluk szemben. Az 
autobuszon elofordult peldaul, hogy szep hosszu, festett  kormu 
kalauz ferfi adta a jegyet. Ez europai orszagban szerintem nehezen
elkepzelheto.

Kezdetben nagyon kellemetlen volt szamomra, hogy a 
munkahelyemen rengeteg volt a ferfiak irant vonzalmat erzo 
"ferfitarsam". Nem tudtam egyszeruen, hogy hogyan viselkedjek veluk 
szemben. A harmadik honap vegere azert sikerult elerni, hogy 
toleraltam oket es el is csevegtem veluk, ami szerintem igen nagy 
teljesitmeny.

Szeretnem megkerdezni az egyeb azsiai orszagban elo (elt) embereket, 
hogy mashol is ennyire elterjedt es elfogadott-e a homoszexualitas.

Koszi a valaszokat:
Gabor

Mai hir, talan alatamasztja az erosen negativ velemenyem a burmai
huntarol:
*** Burmese opposition party member dies in jail

A member of Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy (NLD)
party has died in custody, Burma's military government said on
Thursday. Kyaw Din, 58, died at a prison hospital of acute pulmonary
edema while serving a two-year jail sentence, the government said in
a statement. Officials from the NLD, the party co-founded and run by
Suu Kyi, were not available for comment. A total of six well-known
NLD members have died in custody since 1988, NLD statistics show. See
story at http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5575769-d0a
Udv Gyuri