Hello everyone,
 
I would be grateful if programmers who have good or excellent
knowledge of programming in C/C++ under a Linux-environment could
get in touch with me.
 
At the moment I am trying to open a small webserver, offering
regional information, which makes commercial rates charged by
big software firms for such jobs unaffordable.
 
Many greetings and thanks
Markus
 
--
At U of Bonn, Germany

In article >, T. Kocsis > wrote
:

: I watched Hattricks on DSF couple of weeks ago, by chance Ajax was
: playing a game with another team I don't remember of, and a large
: group of Ajax funs were shown several times :they stretched their right
: hands out slightly upwards with open palms. They did it ritmically,
: together, efficiently coordinated by a foreshouter.
: I would not care otherwise but I remembered that they accused Fradi
: of usage of nazi symbols.
: 
: Tamás

A couple of weeks ago? Don't remember what team?
Rather vague, Tamas.
And it seems rather strange that Ajax fans, walking around with Jewish
symbols (Israelian flag, stars on their jackets), would make this
Nazi-gesture. If you aren't making things up, it would be most likely that
you saw fans of the OTHEr team. What made you so sure that it were Ajax
fans? Them having red and white shawls?? Or the commentator saying that it
were Ajax fans??
I think you're trying to take away the attention from the actual beginning
of the thread: Racism at Ferencvaros. Well, it didn't work!

Marco

Weird L. Marcowitz > wrote:

>:  Sieg Heil! :)
>You'd better not say that here in Holland, 'dear' Heikki, because this is
>a fellony over here...

Wow.  Are you being serious?  Just curious...

-Will

In article >,
	iFodor > writes:
[deleted a lot]

>                             One might know that Ferencvaros is the most 
>     popular team in Hungary (like Steaua in Rumania and Ajax in Holland). 

I don't want to argue here about the Fradi. My intention is only to give some 
information for the readers of scm. Namely that one should not compare Fradi 
with the Steaua from Bucharest. The romanian counterpart of the Fradi is the 
team Rapid Bucharest, whith quite similar background (a team with devoted fans
but always under the pressure of the football officials in the good old days).
On the other hand Steaua is the one to one correspondent of the former Honved 
(or TSKA Moscow, or Crvna Zvezda Beograd...). Also, there is an another team, 
Univ. Craiova, nicknamed "The champion of a great love" becouse of the 
devotement of the fans.

There is no discussion about the fact that Steaua has much better results as 
these two teams, however they tend to preserve an advantage on the sentimental
side, as it happens to be with Fradi also.
 
[deleted]   
>      istvan               
Zoli

http://dipmza.physik.uni-mainz.de/~Gagyi_Palffy/HomePage.html

tamas > wrote:
>Sajnalnam, ha a HIX kiadvanyai eltunnenek a S.C.Magyar-rol.
>Ez a leggyorsabb, legkemyelmesebb es legmegbizhatobb eleresi mod
>szamomra. Nem ertem, hogy miert zavarna barkit is, hiszen megteheti, hogy 
>csak azt a "news" cikket hivja be, amelyikre kivancsi. A SCM 
>tartalomjegyzekeben meg az napi ot sor (nem so:r!) igazan nem sok.
>
>udv
>   tamas
>
>Tamas GAAL

>
>

Tamassal en is egyetertek....

Vamossy Karcsi

In article > Weird L.
Marcowitz,  writes:
>And it seems rather strange that Ajax fans, walking around with Jewish
>symbols (Israelian flag, stars on their jackets), would make this
>Nazi-gesture.

Uh, I did not know that Ajax is a Jewish club. Now, I begin to understand
the background of why this kind of denunciation was chosen.

>If you aren't making things up, it would be most likely that
>you saw fans of the OTHEr team. What made you so sure that it were Ajax
>fans? Them having red and white shawls?? 

They had painted faces. The commentator said nothin', but they were shown
in celebration after Ajax goal. I think it happened in early January .

Tamas

Teves es hianyos a jelenlegi "Hungarian faq". Biztos azert, mert a keeper
nem vette eszre, hogy egy ideje ujabb szolgaltatasok is beindultak. Gondolni
sem merek arra, hogy esetleg szandekosan hallgat el, vagy kozol tevesen
a keeper bizonyos dolgokat.

Nem csak az uj szolgaltatasokra valo hivatkozas sokszor teves, de a regiek
is tobb esetben ferditve vannak.

A legujabb "faq" pl. Hollosi HIX-enek tulajdonitja a "Hirmondo"-t is, es
az "SCM"-t is (e lista gateway-ezett "digest"-jet), holott evvel Hollosi
(vagy a keeper?) sokkal nagyobb "bunt" kovet el, mint a "Nemzet"! (A
Nemzet 3 igen hasonlo bekezdest idezett hazai lapokbol mint amit a
Hirmondo is irt, s ezzel az uruggyel Hollosi sok teljesen artatlan embert
eltiltott minden HIX szolgaltatas, meg az SCM "HIX" gateway-enek hasznala-
tatol is).

Uj szolgaltatasok listajabol valahogy kimaradt a "Nemzet", a "Nemzetiforum"
es az SCM uj e-mail/web gateway-e, melyet pl. azok is hasznalhatnak, akiket
Hollosi alkalmankent kicenzuraz a HIX-bol.

E nyilvanos (es masolatban a keeper-nek megkuldott) levellel kerem a faq-ba a
kovetkezo uj szolgaltatasokat bevenni, az alabbi megjelolesekkel. (Megjegy-
zem, hogy az Internet Access Provider-ek domain-nevet vagy minden esetben
kozoljek, vagy sehol, mert pl. a Nemzet eseteben ez veletlen es egyeb
felreertesekre ad alkalmat. Pl. a HIX az MIT egy geperol megy; ki az MIT-nel
a "registered domain name holder" es mi koze annak Hollosihoz?)

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A SCM atszervezesevel kapcsolatban olyan javaslatokra szavazok, melyek minden
listat egy ujonan letesitendo soc.culture.magyarlista -ra iranyitananak
(barmilyen
nev alatt) - meghagyvan a soc.culture.magyar -t egyeni bekuldesekre. Nyilvan
senki nem kivanja korlatozni barmely lista jogat hogy az www hypertext
megjelenites-
hez jusson a USENET-en, de az elkulonites mindenkeppen indokolt.

Joseph Toth, Internet Publisher

From the frontpage of the New York Times on February 9

MEMORIES OF WARTIME BRUTALITIES REVIVE CZECH-GERMAN ANIMOSITY

Some excerpts:

"In his booklined study here, Ivan Klima, one of the foremost Czech
authors, recalls the days a half-century ago when surviving Jewish
families like his finally fled the concentration camps to find their
land awash in killing and chaos. He was then 14 years old, and, even
in the final days of the Second World War, he said, so many Czechs were
shot by their Nazi German occupiers "for nothing" that humanity seemed
lost.

Karl-Heinz Wunderlich, a psychologist from the one-time ethnic German
minority in Czechoslovakia, remembers that period too. In his mind's eye
he still sees the Czech soldiers who, when he was 8, came to his family's
door in what was then the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, which Hitler had
annexed in 1938. Now living in Mainz, Germany, Dr. Wunderlich recalls how
Czechs toting submachine guns loaded people onto freight trains-the lucky 
ones, that is, who endured what he called ethnic cleansing rather than
massacre as the Czechs purged their land of three million ethnic Germans.

Between them, the two men represent the emotional poles of a crisis 
between Germany and the Czech Republic that has burst forth virulently
in recent weeks, representing one of the most corrosive disputes in
Central Europe since the fall of the Iron Curtain.

..........

The Czechs, said Jiri Pahe, a political analyst here, "feel that they 
didn't do anything wrong, that the expulsion was an appropriate response
to what German citizens had done to the Czech people." Neither do the Czechs
wish to be exposed to German claims for restitution or compensation for
confiscated property - the central point for the politically powerful
descendants of Sudeten Germans.

"For us on the Czech side, the matter is very clear," Jiri Grusa, Prague's
ambassador in Bonn, said in an interview. "We have said that the events
after the Second World War were not the best chapter in our history. But
we cannot offer a general acknowledgment as long as the Germans have not
relinquished their claims."

.........

At war's end, the Czech authorities perceived the Sudeten Germans 
collectively as a fifth column for the Nazis, though by no means all of
them had been active collaborators with the occupiers.

Nonetheless, in a series of decrees, the first post-war President Edvard
Benes, sanctioned their expulsion, and granted amnesty to Czechs for
the killing of between 15,000 and 240,000 ethnic Germans, depending on
who is doing the counting. The 1945 Potsdam agreement among the war's
victors futher endorsed the notion of a transfer of the German population
from Czechoslovakia.

Now hear the version of Dr. Wunderlich, the psychologist in Mainz.

"Before the war, the Sudeten Germans were persecuted by the Czechs, not
physically, but psychologically. German jobs in civil service were
given to Czechs. No school meals were served in German schools, only
in Czech schools. The Czechs drove us into the arms of Hitler. We didn't
know what was going on in Germany. But when the Nazis marched in we soon
found out: 60,000 Sudeten Germans, Social Democrats, were imprisoned.

And at war's end, he said, "within a few weeks, 240,000 Sudeten Germans
- almost a tenth of the German population - were killed by the Czechs."
People were given as little as two hours to leave, marched to the
railroad stations at gun-point, stripped of their valuables and loaded
onto freight trains, he said

"Most Czechs today have no feeling of guilt, but they must recognize
that they have committed a crime -ethnic cleansing," Dr Wunderlich
said. "They want to draw a line even before they have come to terms
with it. No form of expulsion can ever be accepted. Imagine if we
Germans tried to pretend our past had not happened."

........

By the Czech account, moreover, the decision to expel the ethnic Germans
was derived from the 1945 Potsdam agreement, which approved orderly
transfer of ethnic German populations in Central and Eastern Europe.
But the Sudeten Germans say the expulsions began before that conference
and that most of the brutality had already occurred."

............"
 

How the Czechs and Germans come to grips with their odious past behavior
is also significant for Hungarians. The Benes Decrees also applied to
the ethnic Hungarians of Czechoslovak citizenship. Hungarians were ethnic
cleansed solely based on their ethnicity. They still have not been
compensated for the wrongs inflicted upon them.

CSABA K ZOLTANI

In article
>, Ricardo
Alberto Miranda > wrote:

> On 1 Feb 1996, Monica Fernandez wrote:
> 
> > Ola, vou tentar de novo mandar alguma outra maneira de dizer i love you 
> > (acho que houve um pequeno erro, desculpa :))
> > 
> > Espanhol: te quiero ou te amo
> > Catalao: t'estimo 
> > Francaise: je t'aime.
> > 
> > 
> > 

Polish: kocham cie

Pont most hallottam, hogy lesz valami magyar ba'l te'telezem New 
Jerseyben e szombaton (Feb. 10).  Csak azt nem tudom, hogy hol, mikor, 
milyen, mennyi, tulajdonke'ppen semmi ma'st nem tudok ro'la (ba'r olyan 
benyoma'st kaptam, hogy a'tlagna'l fiatalabb lesz a ko:zo:nse'g).  Lenne 
olyan szi'ves valaki to:bb informa'cio't adni ro'la.  Elo"re is 
ko:szo:no:m
                               Ga'bor Csaba                               

I just heard that there will be a Hungarian Ball somewhere in New Jersey 
this Saturday (Feb. 10).  Unfortunately, I have no other details on it 
such as place, time, cost, type of event, etc (but I did get the 
impression that it would be a younger crowd than average).  Would some 
kind soul care to enlighten me, please.  Thanks in advance.

                               Peter Gabor

On 9 Feb 1996, Tibor Odor wrote:

> Igy jo lenne, ha tobben osszedugnank a fejunket, pl. Saghi-Szabo Gotthard,
> Joseph Toth, en, es meg akinek kedve van, es megcsinalnank az uj 
> magyar.faq-t, esetleg automatizalva.

Kedves Tibor,

Szivesen segitek egy uj, targyilagosabb FAQ letrehozasaban, ambar idom 
sajnos nem engedi hogy a fenntartasaban is reszt vegyek -  helyet 
szivesen biztositok (WWW-Hypermail, FTP, Gopher, mail). Miutan az uj 
FAQ-ot osszeallitjuk itt az scm-em, javasolnam azt valamelyik otthoni 
egyetem vagy foiskola gondozasa ala tenni. Ilyen modon egy csoport es nem 
egy - konnyen megtevesztheto, marginalis - egyen tudna azt remelhetoleg 
elfogulatlanul, napra keszen tartani.
 
Talan a magyar honlap fenntartoi, vagy a Wagner lista tulajdonosai keszek 
lennenek erre (ok a legtobb informaciot elsokezbol kapjak). En ugy latom, a 
nyiregyhazi foiskolasok is az aktivabb csoportok koze tartoznak, csakugy 
mint a szegedi egyetem szamitogepesei, valoszinuleg ok is szivesen 
vallalkoznanak egy magyar FAQ karbantartasara. 

Udvozlettel,
Gotthard 
--
Gotthard Saghi-Szabo  
Carnegie Institution of Washington, D.C.
mailto:

Joseph Toth, Internet Publisher wrote:

>... Nyilvan
>senki nem kivanja korlatozni barmely lista jogat hogy az www hypertext
>megjelenites-
>hez jusson a USENET-en, ...
>

Kiveve azt a kis tenyt, hogy "www hypertext megjelenites az USENET-en" nem 
letezik kedves internet publisher (magyaran: marhasag). :)

Idezet a "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing" -bol 
(http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/) :

Usenet

/yoos'net/ or /yooz'net/ Users' Network. 

A distributed bulletin board system supported mainly by Unix machines and the 
people who
post and read articles thereon. Originally implemented in 1979 - 1980 by Steve 
Bellovin, Jim
Ellis, Tom Truscott, and Steve Daniel at Duke University, it has swiftly grown 
to become
international in scope and is now probably the largest decentralised 
information utility in
existence. 

Usenet encompasses government agencies, universities, high schools, businesses 
of all sizes and
home computers of all descriptions. As of early 1993, it hosts well over 1200 
newsgroups
("groups" for short) and an average of 40 megabytes (the equivalent of several 
thousand paper
pages) of new technical articles, news, discussion, chatter, and flamage every 
day. To join in
you need a news reader. ...

Semmifele WWW !

SzP.



--------------------------------------
Peter Szaszvari
http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
--------------------------------------

In article >,  wrote:

>En malgache on dit thikénao sauf que l'orthographe, c'est pas trop ça

En malgache, "I love You" s'ecrit "Tiako ianao".
La prononciation est proche de thikenao .

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	Re: FYI - Virus Alert
	Re: FYI - Virus Alert
	Hungarians of Vojvodina..still a Blind Spot
	Re: FYI - Virus Alert
	Email virus hoax
	Reformatus Vilagkonferencia betiltva Romaniaban

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From: "Peter A. Soltesz" >
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:55:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: FYI - Virus Alert

Highly unlikely. One must execute virus programs. Thus it should be OK 
to read but DO NOT EXECUTE! Peter Soltesz.

------------------------------

From: John Czifra >
Date: 8 Feb 96 17:23:56 
Subject: Re: FYI - Virus Alert

Hi!

I'm sorry for the mayhem my post created. I received the post this morning (NJ)
 
from our outside sales rep in Austin, TX. He received this post from Borland 
International (makers of Paradox), which they sent to various software 
resellers, vendors, & distributors (us being one of them). I never heard of the
 
"virus" myself and deemed it important enough to send out, since Borland 
International was scared by it. 

Once again, sorry!!!

Thanks, 
John Czifra

------------------------------

From:  (Peter Kaslik)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:02:49 -0500
Subject: Hungarians of Vojvodina..still a Blind Spot

Ethnic Hungarians of Vojvodina....still a Blind Spot
Another Petition?
Dear Friends, please hear me out.
The time is ripe: 
1. Serbia is scrambling for political recognition, and for  renewal of  its
membership  into international 
organizations,
2. Serbia is pressing for international monetary aid (your and my tax dollars)
3. During his meeting with Milosevoc in Belgrade, US Secretary of State
Warren Christopher spoke out for 
ethnic Albanians of Kosovo, but he didn't include Hungarians of Vojvodina.
4. Serbia is pressed to denounce the Bosnian Serb  war criminals and to
demonstrate some sort of good will in 
the areas of human rights. Maybe it could be swayed to give in to the
demands of Hungarians in Vojvodina in 
order to gain leniency for its other wrongdoing.
5. The foreign Minister of Hungary asked that the membership of Yugoslavia
into Organization for Security and 
Cooperation in Europe be conditional to Serbia guaranteeing the human rights
of Hungarians in Vojvodina. 

I feel that this is the right time for the Hungarian Americans to give a
momentum to this issue.
What follows is a short version of the Appeal of the Hungarian Human Rights
Monitor. 

Outline of Petition:

Reopening the Mission of 
Organization for Cooperation and Stability in Europe in Vojvodina,
Condition for Economic Aid and Political Reintegration of Serbia  

As Canadian/American Hungarians we ask the international community, the
elected representatives of 
Canada and the United States and all peace loving citizens the following:
That political recognition and admitting Yugoslavia into international
organizations and any future 
economic aid  to Yugoslavia be made conditional to: 
 1. Serbia allowing the appropriate international organizations and in
particular the Organization for 
Stability and Cooperation in Europe to reopen its Mission in Vojvodina to
monitor and report on the human 
rights and safety of ethnic Hungarians and other nationalities in Vojvodina. 
2. Serbia guaranteeing the human rights and allowing minority rights and
self-organization for ethnic 
Hungarians and other  nationalities in Vojvodina  in the areas of education
and culture, which would make it 
possible for them to foster  and preserve their cultural identity.
Our concerns stem  from the following realizations:
a. The conclusion of the armed conflict in the Balkans did not bring forth
any political changes in Serbia. 
The Serb government has remained intact and its ethnocentric policies are
unchanged. 
b. As new mass graves are being unearthed in Bosnia every day, they confirm
that the present Serb 
government is directly linked to the most outrageous atrocities, rapes,
murder and ethnic cleansing  in Europe 
since the Second World War. Despite of this the ethnic Hungarians of
Vojvodina live completely unprotected 
under the regime of Slobodan Milosevic. The Dayton Peace Accord has provided
NATO troops to protect the 
former warring fractions in the area, but no such provision has been made
for ethnic Hungarians of Vojvodina, 
who did not take up arms during the recent carnage in the region. 

In order to prevent another possible tragedy in the region and the further
flood of refugees,  we urge you to 
do make the political recognition and international economic aid to
Yugoslavia absolutely conditional to 
Serbia allowing the Organization for Stability and Cooperation in Europe to
reopen its Mission in Vojvodina 
to monitor and report on the human rights and safety of the 350,000 strong
ethnic Hungarian community and 
other ethnic groups  in Vojvodina, namely Croats, Slovaks, Romanian,
Ruthenians, Donau Germans and 
others who lived and prospered in Vojvodina for centuries.

Signature

A longer version with additional information is available on:
HUNCOR Web Site: (URL) http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
under "Current Events", or http direct:
http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/organ/mission.htm
Many thanks:
Peter Kaslik
Lajos Csoke 


------------------------------

From: christmas city straight edge >
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:31:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: FYI - Virus Alert

On 8 Feb 1996, John Czifra wrote:
The GOOD TIMES VIRUS is a hoax.  It like ten years old or something.  
Most people send the message out  to everyone they know, then eventually, 
it gets back to them and they get scared.  HaHaHa!

> To: SHI_All > cc:				Jamie  
> From: Darron Gross/SHI
> Date: 02/08/96 11:44:42 AM
> Subject: FYI - Virus Alert
> 
> 
>     Subject: Virus Alert
>       
> SUBJECT:  VIRUSES--IMPORTANT PLEASE READ
> IMMEDIATELY
>       >>
> There is a computer virus that is being sent across the
> Internet.   If you receive an e-mail message with the subject
> line "Good  Times",   DO NOT  read  the  message, 
> DELETE it immediately.  Please read the messages below. 
> Some miscreant is sending  e-mail under  the title "Good
> Times" nation wide, if you get anything like this, DON'T
> DOWN LOAD THE FILE!   
> It has a virus that rewrites  your  hard  drive, obliterating 
>  anything on it.  Please be careful and forward this mail to 
> anyone you care about.
>       
> ***************************************************** 
>       >>
> WARNING!!!!!!!  INTERNET VIRUS
> The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a
> matter of major importance to any regular user of the
> Internet.
> Apparently a new computer virus has been engineered by a
> user of AMERICA ON LINE that is unparalleled in its
> destructive capability.  Other more well-known viruses such
> as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
> comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a
> warped mentality.
> What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the
> fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new
> computer to be infected.  It can be spread through the
> existing e-mail systems of the Internet.  Once a Computer is
> infected, one of several things can happen.  If the computer
> contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed.  If
> the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be
> placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop - which can
> severely damage the processor if left running that way too
> long.
> Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize
> what is happening until it is far too late.  Luckily, there is one
> sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good
> Times" virus.  It always travels to new computers the same 
> way in a text email message with the subject line reading 
>  "Good Times".  Avoiding infection is easy once the file has 
> been received - not reading it!  The act of loading the file  into
> the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times"
> mainline program to initialize and execute.
> 
> The program is highly intelligent - it will send copies of itself
> to everyone whose e-mail address is contained in a
> receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will
> then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The
> bottom line  here is - if you receive a file with the subject 
> line "Good  Times", delete  it immediately!   Do not read it. 
> Rest assured that whoever's name was on the "From" line
> was surely struck by the virus.  Warn your friends and local
> system users of this newest threat to the Internet! It could 
> save them a lot of time and money.
>       
>       ----- End Included Message -----
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 

------------------------------

From: Jeffrey Goldberg >
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:58:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Email virus hoax

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address of the FAQ to anyone who, with all good intentions, propogates
the hoax.

One copy of the FAQ can be found at

http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/docs/Email/GoodTimes.FAQ.txt

- - -jeff
- - --
Jeffrey Goldberg                +44 (0)1234 750 111 x 2826
 Cranfield Computer Centre      FAX         751 814
      http://WWW.Cranfield.ac.uk/public/cc/cc047/


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From: "Tibor  . CSEH" >
Date: 09 Feb 96 10:56:36 EST
Subject: Reformatus Vilagkonferencia betiltva Romaniaban

URGENT  ACTION REQUIRED !!
The seat of the next World Congress of the Hungarian
 Reformed Church members due this year 
was to be located in several historically significant towns of
 Transsylvania which itself since 1920 is part of Romania.
 Transsylvania was selected in view of the very  significant role of 
protestantism
 in that part of historic Hungary.
The protestant princes of independent Transsylvania during the
 sixteenth  centuries (Bethlen, Bocskay, 
the Rakoczy's) were well known leaders of contemporary
Europe. The diet of Torda in 1568 declared  - first time in the world's 
hostory - the concept of 
free exercise of religions. These were some of the reasons why the 
Hungarian Protestant leaders 
selected Transsylvania as the most dignified  and suitable location for the 
next World Congress
of the Hungarian Reformed Church people dispersed all over the world. 
Now, the Romanian Government - in his furious anti-Hungarian campaign -
 has forbidden the realization of the World Congress within the boundaries 
of Romania.
Let's not accept this latest outbreak of biased, chauvinistic 
anti-religious attack
which adds shame to injury. Let's mobilize all the religions of the world, 
the Protestants, the Catholics, the Pope, the Jews, the Moslims, the 
Buddhists.. every body.
Let' s put a stop to this nonsense!
Start to act immediately, using your religous connections, plus the 
political 
and the newspaper E-mails.
This is not a rumor. Source of information: Bishop Tokes, who called the 
president of 
Hungarian-American Coalition this morning.

Tibor Cseh



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Istenhozott,PK

Kedves "Joseph Toth"!

Ha mar teves informaciokrol beszelunk, nem art egy kicsit a sajat porta 
elott sepergetni:

On 9 Feb 1996  wrote:
> A legujabb "faq" pl. Hollosi HIX-enek tulajdonitja a "Hirmondo"-t
 A FAQ nem tulajdonit semmit, csupan kozli hogy mi erheto el a HIX-en 
keresztul - HIR, ugyebar, azon listak kozott van.

> [...] az Internet Access Provider-ek domain-nevet vagy minden esetben
> kozoljek, vagy sehol, mert pl. a Nemzet eseteben ez veletlen es egyeb
> felreertesekre ad alkalmat. Pl. a HIX az MIT egy geperol megy; ki az MIT-nel
> a "registered domain name holder" es mi koze annak Hollosihoz?)
 Nem latom, milyen felreertesekre adhat alkalmat - ha olyan nagy titok,
hogy a siliconvalley.com nevet es a hozzatartozo szolgaltatasokat
Pellionisz Andras berli, akkor talan tenyleg el kellene kerulni (nem az en
hataskoromben) az ilyen "veletleneket", de nem latom krisztalytisztan ez
hogyan jon akar a FAQ ugyehez, akar altalaban az s.c.m temajahoz. 
 Ha mar itt tartunk, a HIX nem az MIT geperol megy (es soha nem is ment):
% whois hix.com
 
sending query...
Jozsef Hollosi, Hollosi Information eXchange, HIX (HIX-DOM)
   335 Third Ave, Apt. C
   Long Branch, NJ 07740
 
   Domain Name: HIX.COM
 
   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Groves, Jonathan  (JG204)  
      (617) 547-4731

 A hix.com virtualis cimu szolgaltatastol fuggetlenul, az Interneten a
hix.mit.edu cimet viselo gep Hollosi Jozsi tulajdona (ez az archivot
kezelo gep, tudomasom szerint, a levelezesi listak fizikai terjeszteseben
nem vesz reszt). A WWW szervernek a halozathoz valo csatlakozasa
(praktikus okokbol) az MIT magyar diakjai segitsegevel, az o tarsasaguk
jogalapjan tortenik - Jozsival egyuttmukodve ok kezelik. 

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

Hi, I'll be visiting Hungary and Romania from March 6 through March 18.
I don't know either languages or places and I was wondering if anyone
can offer some advice as to what's there to do and so on.  I will try
to read up on places to go etc., and I will make an effort to know a
couple of key words but I would nonetheless appreciate some info like
weather, where to find cheap beer, which towns to go/avoid, etc.
Thanks,
Paul

A SZALON #141 szamabol (eredetileg Cser Ferenc gepelte be)
Szerintem igen tanulsagos es sok szempontbol talalo irasok.

Tamas

/*----------------------------------------------------------------*/
Alex Mitchell budapesti naplojabol. Forras: The Sun-Herald (Sydney),
1992 julius 12 p.28 EXTRA

WINDS OF CHANGE SWEEP HUNGARY ONCE MORE

Budapest, the capital of Hungary, is made up two cities, Buda and Pest
(pro-
nounced Pesht). Through the middle runs the mighty Danube.

Buda is hilly, the home of imperial palaces, majestic cathedrals,
cobblestoned
streets and eye-watering views.

Pest, situated on the plains, is the stylish-designed commercial and
cultural
centre surrounded by ugly high-rise flats and even uglier factory estates.

The division between Buda and Pest seems to be replicated in the split
person-
ality of the people. They are complex folk.

Australians viewed Hungarian immigrants - those who settled after World
Wae II
and the so-called 56-ers who arrived following the failed 1956 uprising -
with
mixture of awe and suspicion.

The suspicion arose because of the masonic mystery which surrounded their
business activities, whether legitimate os illegitimate.

It is the chameleon character of Hungarians which puzzles Australians.
These
are people who reached central Europe over 1,000 years ago from Tibet and
Mongolia and who converted to Christianity for convenience sake.

So many invaders have marched over their central European territory that
they have been forced to play games of incredible intrigue and duplicity
in
order to survive.

This century they have been ardent royalists when part of the Austro-
Hungarian Empire but switched effortlessly to republicanism; for 25 years
until
the end of World War II they lived under Admiral Hrthy's grim
dictatorship;
they embraced Nazism during the war and switched to Stalinism after it.

Now they are all budding capitalists.

This ability to change colours is even evident in religion. While it is
under-
standable that so many Hungarians of the Jewish faith switched to
Catholicism
during the war - it was, after all, a matter of life and death - it
nevertheless
makes them different from Jews from, say, Poland or Germany. After the
abortive 1956 revolution, Hungarians enjoyed the most benign rule of any
of
the Soviet satellite states. It became known as the era of "goulash
communism".

They had full employment, free schooling and health services, free or
cheap
housing, subsidised food and transport and paid no taxes.

Since the 1989 overthrow of Stalinism and the emergence of free market
capitalism, all that has changed.

Now Hungarians have to pay high taxes, uneplyment is 8.5 per cent and
rising,
inflation is 25pc, the cost of food and fares has soared.

How are they taking it? As always, the Hungarians are doing what they do
best - feeling sorrow for themselves.

*******************************

Ugyanitt, ugyancsak a A. Mtchell naplojabol:

MEDIA LAWS OUTRAGE

Journalists in Hungary are up in arms over proposed new media laws which
are
worse than the suffocating political censorship of the Stalinist epoch.
The measures include:

- A person interviewed can demand to see the statement that is to be
attributed
  to them, and deny permission of publication.

- A citizen will have the legal right to forbid a reporter from
identifying him
or
  her as a news source.

- Reporters can be prevented from covering a story if the head of an
official
  investigation decides that the news coverage might interfere with the
inves-
  tigation's success.

- The accused or witnesses at a trial cannot be identified unless they
provide
  permission to the media. Once the trial is over the accused and
witnesses can
  be named.

For the record, the author of the so-called Free Press Bill is named Mr.
Fluck
Edit Papacsy.

I rest my case.
/*----------------------------------------------------------------*/

>iFodor > writes:
     >
     >It is interesting to read about bias anti-Ferencvaros accusations 
     >raised by rumanian Tomescu and dutch Bart. [text del]
     >sport has nothing to do with Transilvania and with rumanian-hungarian 
     >political crisis connected with this former hungarian territory. 
     
     right.  so then why do YOU bring the transylvania subject up?  it 
     really seems that subject is more on YOUR mind than anything else.
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
      
     >No matter how deep is this crisis, hungarians can play decent 
     >football,
     
     huh?  what are you talking about??  what crisis?  transylvania's?  
     what kind of cockeyed correlation are you trying to draw here?  nobody 
     ever stated that hungarians cannot play decent football.  get your 
     thinking back on track!
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     >and hungarian fans are not worse than rumanian (or dutch) ones.
     
     in general and applying to most fans, perhaps yes.  but i do not 
     recall that any dutch or romanian team has been fined and warned by 
     uefa as ferencvaros did because of the abhorrent, racist behavior of 
     some of their fans.  
     
     so let me second_guess your opinion on this:  no doubt an 
     anti-hungarian conspiracy by which uefa was bribed by romanian 
     nationalists (like me :-) to discredit hungary, and by ajax_soccerists 
     wary of ferencvaros' rise to the upper echelons of european football 
     ;-)  did i miss anything else? ;-)
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     >To see a nazi flag in Budapest - it is a big joke, especially now 
     >when communists again control the country. You can easily get to jail 
     >for that,  special law was approved by parliament.
     
     in principle, i do not contest what you are saying.  but how about all 
     those eye_witnesses to the event?  bart even mentioned that one could 
     clearly see that flag behind one of the goal posts - and even on 
     television, no less!
     
     otoh, i visited budapest last summer, and i certainly saw swastikas 
     painted or drawn on walls in public places.  more than in other cities 
     - i don't know.  but there clearly is an extremist (minority) element 
     in hungary that makes a lot of noise for their size.  ever heard of 
     istvan csurka?    
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
        
     >On that match a group of FTC fans really kept jeering, but not only 
     >at black players, they teased mostly all best dutch players.
     
     you seem to be quite in minority here, fodor.  from what i have heard 
     and read, the jeers and boos were markedly LOUDER when the colored 
     ajax players had the ball and, boos and jeers aside,  some of the 
     brighter ferencvaros supporters turned into loud_groaning neanderthals
     when the non_white ajax players handled the ball.  again,  this fact 
     has been attested to by hundreds of eye_witnesses, and based upon 
     those accounts, uefa decided the stiff sanctions against ferencvaros.  
     but then again,  they surely are part of a world_wide anti_hungarian 
     conspiracy, right? ;-)  
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     >It is again ridiculous to say that FTC fans are racists.
     
     nobody generalized to ALL ferencvaros fans, fodor.  the reference was 
     only to those that behaved like racist morons.  and, sorry to say, 
     they have managed to tarnish the squeaky_clean image of your favorite 
     club.
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
     
     >I think that all this fuss around FTC was inspired by dutch coach. 
     >After the game was over he gave a very arrogant interview offending 
     >all decent hungarian fans. [txt del]. But the top of his misbehavior 
     >happened to be at home when he in fact declared a war against 
     >hungarian fans and players(!). As a result of hat h. fans were not 
     >allowed to attend the match in Amsterdam (one of my favorite city). 
     >All these phrases like "FTC racists" are coming from him. And he 
     >managed to heat up the emotions which ended with a very sad case in 
     >the world history of the sport, when he recruited a bunch of 
     >prominent dutch people and they signed a letter to Rel Madrid, 
     >calling them to take revenge by beating the hungarian team as  much 
     >as possible!!! 
     
     sorry to dissapoint you again, but this kind of gossip (whether true 
     or not) does not affect squat the racist incident during the 
     ferencvaros - ajax match.  too many witnesses, fodor!  you are simply 
     diverging from the subject!  shame on you!
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     >It is very sad that these distinquished representative of dutch 
     >society could yield to this very disgraceful and provocative  action.
     >Let us keep sport away from these kind of hooliganism too!   
     >istvan               
     
     yeah, but comparing to the behavior of some of your frenzied fans,  
     this is small potatoes!
     
     -cristian
     
     
     ps:
     
     a little addendum to hungarian fodor (from rumanian tomescu):
     
     not very surprising, your way of reasoning betrays your place of 
     origin:  eastern europe.  every critique to ANYTHING HUNGARIAN is 
     taken as a PERSONAL AFFRONT.  55 years of absolutism have definitely 
     muddled the distinction between THE STATE and THE INDIVIDUAL.  between 
     the NATIONAL COLLECTIVE and THE SELF.  and upon these psychological 
     remnants can today's nationalism (be it in romania, hungary, russia) 
     be built upon.  
     
     hungarian fodor most certainly needs a heavy dose of mental enema, to 
     clear out all those nationalist leftover_debris accumulated through 
     the kadar years.  
     
     hungarian fodor can only see me as RUMANIAN tomescu (and not as 
     cristian) because, well it's obvious, my name ends in that dreaded 
     ESCU (as in ceausescu, of course) and, of course again, i must be a 
     sworn enemy to the hungarian people and their national interests.  by 
     postulate, being romanian implies being anti_hungarian.  attaboy, 
     hungarian fodor!
     
     not that i have to justify anything, but i am more removed from 
     romania than you can think, hungarian fodor.  i have lived most of my 
     life in america, and cleary identify myself as an american than 
     anything else.  and, for your information,  half of my relatives are 
     not even romanian.  but, then again, that cannot be possible - my name 
     is RUMANIAN TOMESCU, no?
     
     i sincerely hope that for the time you are in the us, you may learn 
     how to think for yourself, how to avoid generalizations, how to 
     improve your self_esteem, and how to see beyond your narrow, tribal 
     field of vision!
     
     good luck,
     
     -cristian

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> Persze ha valaki nem kepes egy uzenetet csak egyszer elkuldeni, akkor nem 
> varhato, hogy lemond megszokott "kenyelmerol" es postaztatja maganak a 
> listakat.

Kedves Peter,
Bar megertem hogy egy olcso poent kihagyni nehez, ez a fajta hozzallas 
nem hiszem hogy sokban hozzajarulna egy tartalmas tarsalgas 
kialakulasahoz. Ha nincs sajat, pozitiv velemenyed a soc.culture.magyar 
vagy a FAQ fellenditeserol, talan jobb lenne ha legkozelebb a fentihez 
hasonlo sorok helyett semmit sem kuldenel be. A masik intelligenciajanak 
megsertese - meg ha nem is ordenare modon, hanem szarkazmussal vagy 
cinizmussal tortenik - megiscsak a masik intelligenciajanak megsertese 
marad - es ugyanakkora arcatlansag, moderalatlansag mintha az elobbi 
modon tortenne. Probaljunk meg uriemberkent viselkedni legkozelebb. 

Ezeket a soraimat melegen a figyelmebe ajanlom Fencsik Gabornak is, aki 
az ezen forumon megszaporodott leveleit valasztekos, cinikus es vitriolos 
szavak helyett inkabb logikus, pozitiv es sajat gondolatokkal tolthetne 
fel.

Udvozlettel,
Gotthard
--
Gotthard Saghi-Szabo
Carnegie Institution of Washington, D.C.
mailto:

"B.VAN LITH" > wrote:

>According to all objective viewers (I'm NOT an ajax-fan) The 
>Ferenc.supporters (only the one's who did all this ofcourse) are a big 
>disgrace to soccer all around the world......

>PEOPLE WHO ATTEND SOCER MATCHES AND DON'T SUPPORT THERE TEAM BUT OFFEND 
>THE OTHER TEAM AREN'T REALLY SUPPORTERS ...ARE THEY ?
>(sorry for the shouting part)

>Bart

Dear Bart & everyone not ignoring this thread!

First of all, EMFJI but I felt I had to post it.
Then, please note that I'm Jewish and living in Hungary. Here is my
opinion about this Ajax-Ferencvaros booing story:

I really highly appreciated Bart's opinion (above). All through the
centuries we Jews have learned how dangerous it is to generalize.
However the Fradi (short for Ferencvaros) fans are mostly known of
their racism, even neonazism in Hungary,  I say we shouldn't
generalize. The leader of the official Ferencvaros Fan Club has told
to Hungarian newspapers that they had pictures of Real Madrid
supporters flying neonazi colors.
In other words, there are racist and non-racist Fradi fans. Moreover,
each team (even Dutch ones) might have a few racist fans. But to
generalize ALL Fradi supporters because of some idiots is nearly as
dangerous as being racist since generalizing is the first step to
racism. Ever noticed the racist say: "THE Jews..."? That is why I
loved so much Bart saying: "Ferenc.supporters (only the one's who did
all this ofcourse) are a big disgrace"

Please either send your thoughts in email or keep on posting in this
thread on the topic. Thanx in advance:
Peter

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Peter Kaszas
Budapest, Hungary, Europe, Earth, Milky Way
"Must we find a solution? Can't we just enjoy the problem for a
while?!"
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