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A MONGOLIC alphabet ( written on stones and breaks) was found in 
Transylvania by Cezar Bolliac (1863).This alphabet is believed (By some 
historians) to be of HUNGARIAN origin.

A MONGOLIC alphabet ( written on stones and breaks) was found in 
Transylvania by Cezar Bolliac (1863).This alphabet is believed (By some 
historians) to be of HUNGARIAN origin.

"History is an accumulation of errors".These errors are some times 
intentionally inserted in the  right places  by those who has the 
finacial power.


I know lots of Hungarians(+GERMANICS) in United States and other foreign 
lands who are presenting the Romanians  as Gipses. Advancing the idea 
that ROM= ROMANY= ROMANIAN=GYPSY.
The HUNGARIANS(+others) know very well the history of the Romanians(Olah,
Vlach).
Unfortunatly,some of the Hungarians(+Austrians,implicitly Germans) in the 
West try desperately (guided by the nostalgia of the Austro-Hungarian 
Empire) to degrade the Romanians to the point where they will fill 
inferior.
And all this is because they(Hungarians +Germanics)did not accommodate 
with the idea that Transilvania is part of Romania.
For those Hungarians(+others) who ignore HISTORY:

                                                      PART I

Note: In the following article I used Romanians(Vlachs) = ROMANS. The = 
sign should be interpreted as: direct descendants of the Romans,people 
connected culturaly,racialy,to the Romans.


The Romanians were known in the past as:

VALACHUS (By the Catholic West)
FLACI(By catholic West)
IFLAK (By the Turks)
VLASI & VOLOH (By the Slavs)
OLAH &BLACH (By the Hungarians)
OLAHOK (By the Hungarians)
OLASZOK (The Hungarian name for the Italians)
WALACH (By the Germans)
WALSCHER (The German name for the Italians)
BLACHOS & VLACHOS (By the Greeks)
BLOCH (By the Saxons in Transilvania)
WOLOSZY (By the Polish)
WLOCHI (The Polish name for the Italians)

In old German WALH = ROMAN
In Gothic VOLK = ARMED PEOPLE
In old slavonic VLAST = POWER(considered of Gothic origin)
In old slavonic VLAST = GIGANTE

Romanians always called themselves ROMANS & RUMANS,and the neighbors 
called them Vlachs,Vlasi,Olahs,etc.
If we mention few Chronicals where the Romanians are mentioned we are 
going to learn more.
(Specially the Germs & Huns).

From:

CONSTANTINE FLAVIUS PORPHYROGENITUS (BYZANTINE EMPEROR 913-959)
From "De administrando imperio".Constantine's surname, 
PORPHYROGENITUS(that is, born in the Purple Chamber of the Imperial 
Palace in CONSTANTINOPLE).

 "The emperor Diocletian was much enamored of the country of Dalmatia,and 
he brought folk with their families from ROME and settled them in this 
same country of Dalmatia,and they were called ROMANI (VLACHS) from their 
having been removed from ROME, and this title attaches to them until this 
day..."

"The territory possessed by the ROMANI used to extend as far as the river 
Danube"
(Constantine shows that the ROMANS(Latins, NOT Greek Romans or 
Byzantines) or Vlachs are the original Romans.

"The country of the ZXHLUMI was previously possessed by the ROMANS, I 
mean, by those ROMANI whom Diocletian the emperor translated from ROME"
(Constantine is talking about the Imperial Romans,who are going to be 
known under the name of VLACHS).
 
"The country of Diocleia was also previously possessed by the 
ROMANI(Vlachs) whom the emperor Diocletian translated from ROME"

"The country in which the Pagani now dwell was also previously possessed 
by the ROMANI(Vlachs) whom the emperor Diocletian translated from ROME 
and settled in Dalmatia".

"At that time when the Avars had fought and expelled from those parts the 
ROMANI(Vlachs) whom the emperor Diocletian had brought from ROME and 
settled there,and who therefore called ROMANI from their having been 
translated from ROME to those countries"

SUMMARY: In his description of the Greek Roman Empire,we can definitely 
identify two people,the Imperial Romans(VLACHS-those Romans  who 
initiated the empire),called by Constntine,ROMANI, and the Greek 
Romans(BYZANTINES-those Romans who adopted GREEK as the language of the 
State and Church).












POPE CLEMENT 6 (1342-1352).

"Olachi Romani,commorantes in partibus Ungariae,Transilvanis,Ultralpinis 
et Sirmus"
(In Hungary,Transilvania,Muntenia and Sirmia live the Roman-Vlachs)
or
"Tam nobilibus quam popularibus Olachis Romanis"

SUMMARY: Romanians = Romans (Vlachs).



 POPE PIUS II (1458-1464) (Commentarium rerum memorabilium)

"VALACHI lingua utuntur Italica, verum imperfecta, et admodum corrupta; 
sunt qui legiones Romanas eo missas olim censeant adversus Dacos, qui eas 
terras incolebant; legionibus Flaccum quendam praefuisse, a que Flacci 
primum,deinde Valachi, mutatis litteris, sint appellati;quorum posteri 
(ut ante relatum est) "

SUMMARY:
(The Vlachs are a people of Roman origin,born from an antic Roman 
Imperial colony,speaking a language close to Latin or Italian)


Nicolaus Machinensis, episcop of Modrussa ( DALMATIA)

"Inferiora vero quaecumque Ister Boristenesque intercipt usque ad Ponti 
ripas Valacchi obtinent,
romani quondam vel exules vel milites, a duce Flacco ita cognominati, 
nunc immutatione litterae Vlacchi appellati: quo vocabulo non modo ea 
gens sed omnes quoque finitimae nationes hodie Italos nominant. Valacchi 
originis suae illud praecipuum prae se ferunt argumentum quod, quamvis 
Mysorum lingua quae illyrica est omnes utantur, vernaculo tamen sermone, 
hoc est latino haud prorsus obsoleto ab incunabulis loquuntur; et cum 
ignotis congressi, dum linguae explorant comertium, an ROMANAE loqui 
norint interrogant".

SUMMARY:

( Romanians/Vlachs = Romans)

Janus Pannonius,Hungarian Humanist/Poet (1434-1472)

"Sarmatici montes et vos septemplici Istri 
Caerulea Euxinio cornua mixta Mari,
Ac tu Romanis olim possessa colonis
Sed iam corrupto, barbara rerra, sono 
Quid dominum lentis longe retinetis in armis?"

Summary:

(Romanians/Vlachs = Romans)

Alessandro Cortesi (1469-1491),Poet.

"An procul expusos Nomadas, serasque luentes
Pastores rupto Siculos pro foedere poenas?
Trinacriae Siculos quondam, Schythiaeque colonos,
Fortia magnanimos praebentes colla Valachos,
Qui referunt prisca Roamanam ab origine gentem?"

Summary: (ROMANIANS/VLACHS = ROMANS)

POPE Innocent III (in  a latter from 1203).

"Therefore, we, who have been appointed by the will of GOD and Father,
unworthy as we are, as vicars and successors of the Apostolic See, to 
prove by the force of facts our fatherly love for the Church of the 
Bulgarians and ROMANIANS (VLACHS),who are said to be THE DESCENDENTS OF 
THE ROMANS,by their flesh and blood"

 
POPE Innocent III (in a letter addressed to IONITA, lord of the 
Bulgarians and Romanians,from 1203)


"Thus, taking this into account, we have decided since long, through our 
envoy or our letters, that we should pay a visit to your lordship, so 
that,realizing your faith to the Roman Church,Your Mother, we might then 
send to you,WHO SAY THAT YOU ARE A DESCENDENT OF THE NOBLE KIN OF THE 
ROMANS...As, he (God the Father) will help you to be a ROMAN in this 
wordily life and for your Eternal Salvation by your own striving, the 
same as you are BY YOUR DESCENT; and he shall help the people of your 
country, which say that they are the ROMANS,blood and flesh".

Enea Silvio Piccolomini, "Cosmography" 1501.

"Transilvania...,it is inhabited by three peoples: the Saxons, the 
Szecklers and the ROMANIANS.
The Saxons had come from Saxony,and are strong men,used to the struggle...
The Szecklers are considered the most ancient Hungarians...,The ROMANIANS 
are of Italian stock..., A colony of the ROMANS was settled there (Dacia) 
to keep a tight rein over Dacians under the leadership of a certain 
Flaccus, after whose name the coutry was called Flacohia and its 
inhabitants were called VLACHS instead of Flacci. This people speaks now 
a ROMAN idiom, although partly changed,and hardly understood by an 
Italian".

Francesco della Valle,1532,(Secretary of Aloisio Gritti,a natural son to 
Doge Andrea Gritti).

"The Romanians(Vlachs) are of Italian stock, and according to them, they 
are the descendants of the OLD ROMANS".



The anonymous notary of King Bela,Gesta Hungarorum.


"For, after king Attila's death,the ROMANS called the soil of Panonia a 
graze field as,their herds used to graze in the country of Panonia.And 
they were right in calling the Panonian soil the grazing fields of the 
ROMANS, as even nowadays, the ROMANIANS(Vlachs) feed their sheep on the 
Hungarian estates".


IOAN KINNAMOS(Imperial secretary under two Byzantine emperors, Manuel I & 
Andronic)

"It is said about the Vlachs that they are the old descendents of those 
from Italy".


Poggio Bracciolini (1380-1459),"Disceptationes convivales", Florentine 
Humanist.

"Apud superiores Sarmatas colonia est ab Traiano ut aiunt derelicta, quae 
nunc etiam inter tantam barbariem multa retinet latina vocabula, ab 
Italis, qui eo profecti sunt, notata.
Oculum dicunt, digitum, manum,panem,multaque alia quibus apparet ab 
Latinis, qui coloni ibidem relicti fuerunt, manasse eamque coloniam 
fuisse latino sermoneusam".

Summary: Romanians(Vlachs = Romans).

Flavio Biondo(1392-1463), Humanist.

"Et qui e rgione Danubio item adiacent Ripenses Daci, sive Valachi,
originem, quam ad decus prae se ferunt praedicantque ROMANAM, loquela 
ostendunt, quos catholice christianos ROMAN quotannis et Apostolorum 
limina invisentes, aliquando gavisi sumus ita loquentes audiri, ut, quae 
vulgari communique gentis suae more dicunt, rusticam male grammaticam 
redoleant latinitatem"

Summary: Romanians(Vlachs= Romans).

NICOLAUS MACHINENSIS, Episcop of Dalmatia, under Pope Pius II.

"Inferiora vero quaecumque Ister Boristenesque intercipt usque ad Ponti 
ripas Valacchi obtinent, romani quondam vel exules vel milites, a duce 
Flacco ita cognominati, nunc immutatione litterae Vlacchi appellati: quo 
vocabulo non modo ea gens sed omnes quopue fimitimae nationes hodie 
Italos nominant".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Janus Pannonicus (1434-1472), The most important Hungarian Humanist.

"Sarmatici montes et vos septemplicis Istri
Caerulea Euxinio cornua mixta Mari,
Ac tu Romanis olim possessa colonis
Sed iam corrupto, barbara terra, sono
Quid domimum lentis longe retinetis in armis?".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Filippo Buonaccorsi Callimaco (1438-1496), Italian Political Annalist.

"Sed utcunque immensus uel infinitus potios, eadem ubuque lingua et 
praeter Romanorum coloniam Valachiam gentes omnes eadem primordia 
profitentes".
 
"Fama nouae coloniae aliquamdiu motus Scuthios compescuit.Deinde non 
solum propulsantibus, sed egregie etiam inferentibus bellum Romanis datae 
acceptaeque sunt utrinque paene innumerabiles clades, cum pleraque a 
caesaribus supplementa et auxilia suis mitterentur".

Summary: Romanian (Vlachs) = Romans.

Jan Dlugosz (1415-1480),Polish Chronicler.

"(1359) Stephano Moldaviae Voievodae, apud Valachos mortuo, quorum 
maiores et aboriginarii de Italiae Regno pulsi ( genus et natio Volscorum 
esse fuisseque creduntur) veteribus Dominis et colonis Ruthenis, primum 
sudole, deinde abundante in dies multitudine, ".

Summary: Romanians(Vlachs )= Romans.

Raffaelo Maffei Volterano (1506),Italian Humanist.

"Eo quod Romanos, ut dixi, accepere colonos, pleraque uocabula loquuntur 
lingua semijtalica,argumento est nomen Valachiam enim appellant, quod 
Valach Italicum lingua ipsorum dicatur".

Summary: Romanians ( Vlachs = Romans).

Marcantonio Coccio(1436- 1506), Italian Historian.

"Valachi italicum genus hominum: horum terram Daci olim tenuerunt: nunc 
Teutones, Siculi et Valachi tenent... Valachorum nobilissimi qui 
agriculturam et qui pecuariam exercent".

Summary: Romanians(Vlachs) = Romans.

Felix Petancici(1445-1517), Humanist from Ragusa.

"Haec est provincia Dacia dicta apud veteres, Romanorum colonia(unde eius 
aborigines hac etiam nostra tempestate) passim latino utuntur colloquio".


Summary: Romanians(Vlachs) = Romans.

Joachim Vadian(1484-1551),Swiss Humanist.

"Supra Cataractas Danubius, infra vero Ister dicitur, sunt autem hae 
maximae, intre montes Dacorum Straboni, eos hodie Iazigibus et 
Transiluanis subiunctos, Walachos nominant, vocabulo Boemis Sarmatisque 
uernaculo, quod inde natum uidetur, namque ‘ty Vlasschi' Italos nominant 
quos ibi consedisse ex Pannonicis Sarmaticisque Romanorum bellis constant,
cum ne hodie quidem eorum lingua ab Italica multum sit absona".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Stephan Taurinus (1485-1519), Moravian Humanist.

"Valachia vulgo Latinis Vlaccia dicitur, provintia Pannoniae 
Cisdanubianae contermina in pontum usque descendens cum Damubo, veteres 
inferiorem Moesiam dixere, vide superius loco suo. Inde Vlacci Vlacciae 
populi, quos vulgus Valachos appellant".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Johann Boemus (1520), German Humanist.

"Sed ea Thraciae pars quae Gethica olim dicebat, vbi Darius Hidaspis 
filius pene perijt, hodie Valachia appellatur, a Flaccis quiritum gente, 
Rhomani enim Gethis superatis et deletis Flacci cuiusdam ductu eo 
Coloniam miserunt, vnde prumum Flaccia, dein corrupta voce Vallacia 
dicta".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Sebastian Franck (1499-1543), German Humanist.

"In didem landt (Walachia) haben ettwan das volck Gethe gewonet, die 
gross krieg gebraucht haben, zu letst mit den Rhomischen waffen ernider 
gerruckt, abgetilckt vnd mit yhrem volck besetzt, vnder dem Rhomischen 
hauptmann Flacco, von dem sy Flaccia nachmals vnlang Walachia gnant 
worden ist, das diss volcks spraach noch heut her meysttheyl Rhomisch ist,
 doch also corrumpiert, daz sy einem Rhomer kaum verstendtlich seind"

Summary: Romanians(Vlachs) = Romans.

Georg Rithaymer(1563), Austrian Humanist.

"Valachi Italicum genus hominum in colonias huc missum, plane in mores 
Getarum abierunt, ita nihil antiquae originis suae retinent, praeter 
linguam quam barbare et corrupte conant".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Nicolaus Olahus(1493-1568),Romanian(Vlach) Humanist.

"Lingua, ritu, religione eadem Moldavi utuntur, qua Transalpini; vestitu 
aliqua saltem ex parte differunt...Sermo eorum et aliorum Valachorum fuit 
olim Romanus, vt qui sint coloniae Romanorum: nostra tempestate, maxime 
ab eo differt; praeterquam quod multa eorum vocabula, latinis sint 
intelligibilia...Valachi, Romanorum coloniae esse traduntur. Eius rei 
argumentum est, quod multa habeant communia cum idiomate Romano, cuius 
populi pleraque numismata, eo laci reperiuntur; haud dubie, magna 
vetustatis imperiique Romani istic indicia".


Summary: Romanians(Vlachs) = Romans.

Theodor Bibliander(1548),Swiss Humanist.

"Post irruptiones Gothorum et Germanicarum gentium et Sclavinorum, atque 
lacerationem et ruinam, imperij, sermo provincialis degeneravit longius a 
sua origine, ut in provincia Daciae Vualachorum lingua, Vlasky enim 
Italum aut Walhen sonat Slavis. Idem accidit in Hispanijs, in Gallia, 
denique in ipsa Italia, in Latio, in urbe domina gentium et sede Romanae 
eloquentiae"

Summary: Romanians(Vlachs) = Romans.

Iacob Heraclid,Despot-Voda, prince of Moldovia.

"Con voi valenti homeni et gente bellicosa discesi dali balorosi Romani, 
quali hano fatto trmer il mondo... Et a questo se faremo cognoscer a 
tutto il mondo li veri Romani et discesi da queli et il nome nostro sara 
immortale et conergeremo l'imagine di nostri padri".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Stanislaw Orzechowski(1513-1566),Polish Humanist.

"Hi (sc. Daci) erant ex Italis Romanisque proceati, qui Duce Lucio 
Valerio Flacco cum Daciam occupavissent, in hisque Regionibus uxores 
duxissent, ac consenuissent, hoc Dacos reliquerunt, qui eorum lingua 
Romini a Romanis, nostra Walachi, ab Italis appellantur. Wloszy enim 
Polonis idem est, quod Itali Latinis".

Summary: Romanians (Vlachs) = Romans.

Martin Opitz(1597-1639), The father of modern German literature.

"Doch ewre (der Romer) Sprache bleibt noch hier auff diesen Tag,
Darob man dich gewiss gar billich wundern mag.
Italien hat selbst nicht viel von seinem alten
Ingleichen Spanien vnd Gallia behalten:
Wie wenig diese nun den Romern ehnlich sein,
So nahe sind verwandt Walachisch und Latein"

"Es steckt manchs edles Blut in kleinen Bawrenhutten,
Das noch den alten brauch vnd der Vorfahren sitten
Nicht gantzlich avgelegt. Wie dann jhr Tantz anzeigt,
In dem so wunderbar gebuckt wird und geneigt,
Gesprungen in die hoh, auff  art der Capreolen,
Die meine Deutschen sonst auss Franckrich mussen holen,
Bald wird ein Kreiss gemacht, bald wiederumb zutrant,
Bald gehn die Menscher recht, bald auff der lincken hand,
Die Menscher, die noch jtzt fast Romisch muster tragen,
Zwar schlecht, doch witzig sein, viel dencken, wenig sagen"

Romanians(Vlachs) = Romans.

ETC,ETC...

FOR MORE INFORMATION  READ ADOLF ARMBRUSTER(Romanitatea Romanilor).

Or( Romanian Foreign Sources on the Romanians).


                                                         PART II


                                           THE HISTORY OF GYPSY.



"The Gypsies of Eastern Europe" Editted by David Crowe and John Kolsti 
with an introduction by Ian Hancock.


"THE GYPSY HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE IN ROMANIA

In the long course of the Gypsy experience in Eastern Europe, none has 
been worse than that in Romania.
Within several centuries after Gypsies entered the medieval provinces of 
Wallachia and Moldavia, they began to be enslaved, a condition that 
lasted until the mid-nineteenth century.Although slavery was not a 
condition peculiar to Gypsies or the Balkans at the time, the deep-seated,
 dehumanizing prejudice that has characterized the historic Romanian 
relationship with Gypsies produced a socioeconomic caste system that 
resulted in the ‘social death' of Gypsies as Romanian slaves, and...Over 
the next century, Gypsy slavery became institutionalize in the Romanian 
Provinces...In the aftermath of his campaigns against the Ottoman Empire 
in northern Bulgaria in 1461-1462, the Wallachian ruler, Vlad Tepes(the 
Impaler), brought back 11,000-12,000 Gypsies(or Gypsy -like people ) to 
his capital where he tortured and killed some for his entertainment....
Stephen the Great (1457-1504), brought 17'000 Gypsies back from his 
campaigns in Wallachia in 1471 to use as slave labor.His move, however, 
simply strengthened a practice supported by law, which, for example, 
stated that any Moldavian that got a Gypsy pregnant and wanted to marry 
her would lose his status and have to become a slave. Later, ‘any 
Moldavian who married a gipsy himself joined the ranks of the robi' ".

                                           CONCLUSION:

READING PART I & PART II, IT IS EASY TO SEE WHY THE ROMANIANS &MOLDOVIANS 
DO NOT LIKE THE GYPSIES TO BE CALLED ROMANI.

The Byzantines writers never reefers to the GYPSIES as ROMANI, nobody did.
The name ROM, ROMY started to appear late at the beginning of the 20th. 
Century.The name of ROM comes from the Gipsy word DOM. 
Based on this CONFUSIBLE, those who pretend to be what they are not, are 
advancing the CONFUSION.
IN OTHER WORDS WE DO NOT WANT TO IDENTIFY THE SLAVIC TRIBE OF ‘VENETI' 
WITH THE ITALIAN ‘VENETI'. RIGHT?.


Albert Egorov.

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In article >,
 (wally keeler) wrote:

>Typical of the US assholes, whose Marines two years ago marched into the 
>stadium with the Canadian flag upsidedown, while Toronto's Blue Jays 
>baseball team won the World's Series

Get Real. With how many Canadians...?

But the USA got kicked out of the Olympic Baseball Tournament, I love that!

Jack

'...Bier is Bitter, Bier is Best, Bier is beter dan de Rest...'

                                  - Rob de Nijs -

Here we should add  another source:

 MONGOLIC alphabet ( written on stones and breaks) was found in 
Transylvania by Cezar Bolliac (1863).This alphabet is believed (By some 
historians) to be of HUNGARIAN origin.

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Y A O H U S H U A


                      NOW FINALLY REVEALED!



    1. The real, original and genuine Name of our Creator in the
    original Hebrew Holy Scriptures is "YAO-HOO" and that of the
    genuine Messiah is "YAO-HOO-SHUA." (accented on the syllable
    "hoo")

    2. Salvation is found in nobody else for there is no other
    name under heaven given to men for salvation except:
    "YAOHUSHUA"  - Acts 4:12, Holy Scriptures.

    3. Whoever calls upon the Name of "YAOHUSHUA" shall be saved
    from all the curses and penalties of sin, such as poverty,
    diseases, failures, bankruptcies, losses, earthquakes, wars,
    frustrations, AIDS, torment, insanity, family breakdowns,
    rebellions, divorces, tragedies, natural catastrophes,
    violence, death and hell -  Deuteronomy 28, Holy Scriptures.

    4. All have sinned and come short of the glory of YAOHU UL,
    the Holy One of Israel; and the wages of sin is death. That's
    why unless a person is spiritually REBORN, he cannot enter
    the Kingdom of YAOHU UL!  - John 3:3, Holy Scriptures.

    (pronounced: yao-hoo ool, accented on the syllable "yao")

    5. For YAOHU UL so loved the world that He gave His one and
    only Son, the Messiah YAOHUSHUA, that whoever believes in Him
    shall not perish but have eternal life!  - John 3:16, Holy
    Scriptures

    6. Salvation is a FREE GIFT of YAOHU UL, out of the richness
    of His grace, not of works, lest anyone should boast; no one
    shall be justified in YAOHU UL's sight by obedience to the
    law, for to break a single command in the law of Moses is the
    same as breaking all of them! - Ephesians 2:8-9 and James
    2:10, New Testament, Holy Scriptures.

    7. And this is eternal life: that you may know YAOHU UL, the
    only true Creator and the Messiah Whom He sent - YAOHUSHUA!
     - John 17:3, Holy Scriptures

    8. YAOHUSHUA is the only way, the truth and the life, and no
    one can approach the Father, YAOHU UL, except through the
    Messiah YAOHUSHUA alone!  All you have to do is to believe in
    His Name, make and receive the Messiah YAOHUSHUA in your
    heart as your one and only personal life Ruler and Savior!
    All you need to do is to repent, believe and trust the
    Messiah YAOHUSHUA to save you! -  John 14:6, 1:12-13, Holy
    Scriptures

    9. YAOHUSHUA the Messiah died in your behalf, as your
    personal Substitute, and He personally suffered the penalties
    of all your sins!  All you must now do is to believe and
    receive all the benefits of His redemptive work, it's that
    easy and simple.  All your sins were already forgiven when the
    Messiah YAOHUSHUA took on Himself all the penalties of your
    sins, and the only thing you must do now is to REPENT then
    believe, receive and personally appropriate for yourself all
    the eternal benefits of His total, complete redemption!

    10. Our Creator-Head exists in a TRIUNE Eternal Nature: the
    Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  "Triune" means three
    fully-united Eternal Beings. - 1 John 5:7, Holy Scriptures

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 (wally keeler) wrote:

>How sweet it is. 
>Poetic Justice!
>Canada wins the gold in the men's 4-100 meter race at the Olympics.
>How the Americans via NBC were boasting.
>How the Americans boasted that they had never lost the 4-100 for decades.
>How wonderful that CANADA beat their ass off.
>How wonderful to watch both CBC and NBC, and see what unadulterated sore 
>losers the Yankees are -- what a self-centred lot they are -- not a single 
>shot in American tv of the gold winners doing their victory lap waving the 
>Canadian flag.
>What an ungracious lot of silver-losers that they spent their post-race 
>commentary analyzing the US teams short-comings, and not one minute spent on 
>the winners.
>Typical of the US assholes, whose Marines two years ago marched into the 
>stadium with the Canadian flag upsidedown, while Toronto's Blue Jays 
>baseball team won the World's Series, that penultimate American game.

>I love it when Canada kicks American self-centred ass!

Canada is not a state of the US ?

	Euh "me+geo=3.141527

Alexander Yordanov > wrote:

>Drun-drun-erina. De go chukash, de se puka. Ami te rimlyanite sa 
>obichali
>i mnogo da si piivat, ta dali Rimskata imperiya ne se e razpadnala ot
>pieneto, a?

Ne sym syglasen s nito edin ot dwamata. Rimskata imperiq se e razpadnala 
poradi moralniq
upadyk. Tozi moralen upadyk se e izrazqwal w sto neshta. Priemaneto na 
homosexualizma kato
neshto normalno e bilo samo edno ot tezi sto neshta. Nito edno obshestwo 
nqma da se razpadne
samo zaradi priemaneto na homosexualizma za normalno qwlenie. No 
priemaneto na
homsexualizma za neshto estestweno i normalno ne e wyzmozhno w edno 
normalno obshtestwo,
to winagi wyrwi zaedno s mnogo drugi porochni qwleniq.

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wally keeler wrote:
> 
> How sweet it is.
> Poetic Justice!
> Canada wins the gold in the men's 4-100 meter race at the Olympics.
> How the Americans via NBC were boasting.
> How the Americans boasted that they had never lost the 4-100 for decades.
> How wonderful that CANADA beat their ass off.
> How wonderful to watch both CBC and NBC, and see what unadulterated sore
> losers the Yankees are -- what a self-centred lot they are -- not a single
> shot in American tv of the gold winners doing their victory lap waving the
> Canadian flag.
> What an ungracious lot of silver-losers that they spent their post-race
> commentary analyzing the US teams short-comings, and not one minute spent on
> the winners.
> Typical of the US assholes, whose Marines two years ago marched into the
> stadium with the Canadian flag upsidedown, while Toronto's Blue Jays
> baseball team won the World's Series, that penultimate American game.
> 
> I love it when Canada kicks American self-centred ass!


Oh, grow up!

Rad

Dear Maria,

It is interesting to read your posts. However, there is something in your
writing style, which I do not understand. What is the motive of your 
posts?

 (Maria Egorov) wrote:
>" The sources I presented are far from being a legend or MYTH. All
>chronicles ARE REFERRING to the Hungarians(and implicitly FINNS) as a
>people who came from Siberia.Even if we ignore  what the chronicles tell
>us,we still have the LANGUAGE (which is a non European language and it
>has a lot in common with other Turkic or Asian languages).

The old cronicles tell that the Magyar tribe moved to today's Hungary 
(where they built their kingdom in the glorious way) from the East, but 
not from Siberia.

The Finnish myths (like Kalevala-poetry, the oldest parts of which are 
supposed to be five thousand years old) suggest, that Finns have lived in 
Finland for thousands of years. (Ever since the world got its start from 
a bird's egg, as Kalevala explains :)

The relationship of Uralic and Altaic languages is being studied; 
possibly they are of the same root, possibly not. Most linguists seem to 
think, that there is not enough evidence for a kinship. However, nothing 
proves against a very distant kinship, either. I suggest that we leave 
that dispute to professionals.

But what is well proven is, that Europe's Indoeuropean languages are 
clear relatives of languages spoken in India and Persia, from where these
originally Asian languages came into Europe in a rather late stage (only 
some thousands of years ago ;)

>We also know
>that the HUNGARIANS used to leave in TENTS as late as 12th.
>Century(recorded).Also remember that non of the Europeans used TENTS,
>Romans (Greek & Latin), Germanics(Gots,Vikings, Lombards, etc.), Celts,
>Tracians, Slavs.

I have no information for or against that. But I know, that the Finns
lived in wooden houses long before that. Just recently they found some
remains of a wooden house in Raisio, which showed how the way the Finns
built their houses in the iron age was highly developed. And this is 
archeology, no myth. The Finnish culture, though, has not much common 
with Hungarian; the kinship is more or less remote lingual.

>The same is the case of HUNGARY and FINLAND.You guys want to be called
>EUROPEANS.
>(Although your language is NON EUROPEAN, your name is NON EUROPEAN, your
>culture WAS NON EUROPEAN, your RACE IS NON EUROPEAN).

Well, we could say, that the Finno-Ugrian languages are more "European" 
than the Indo-European languages, which came to Europe from Asia much 
later than the "Uralic" proto-language. You should not let the names 
bluff you. However, this dispute is very stupid. All peoples originate 
from Africa, anyway. I, personally, would call "European" any person, who 
is born in the area of Europe, not depending on his race, language, 
religion, or ethnic background. What is wrong with you, are you a racist?

>And remember that
>the so called
>"Mitochondrial DNA" IS NOT CONSIDERED A RELIABLE METHOD TO ESTABLISH
>WITH CERTAINTY THAT YOU (FINNS) ARE AN EUROPEAN RACE.

Here you are mistaken. Mitochondrial-DNA -studies are very respected 
nowadays. Check e.g. the works of Dr. Paabo et.al. (who is not a Finn!).

Regards,
Jari P.
Turku, Finland, Europe

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Ivan Marinov wrote:
> 
> Alexander Yordanov > wrote:
> 
> >Drun-drun-erina. De go chukash, de se puka. Ami te rimlyanite sa
> >obichali
> >i mnogo da si piivat, ta dali Rimskata imperiya ne se e razpadnala ot
> >pieneto, a?
> 
> Ne sym syglasen s nito edin ot dwamata. Rimskata imperiq se e razpadnala
> poradi moralniq
> upadyk. Tozi moralen upadyk se e izrazqwal w sto neshta. Priemaneto na
> homosexualizma kato
> neshto normalno e bilo samo edno ot tezi sto neshta. Nito edno obshestwo
> nqma da se razpadne
> samo zaradi priemaneto na homosexualizma za normalno qwlenie. No
> priemaneto na
> homsexualizma za neshto estestweno i normalno ne e wyzmozhno w edno
> normalno obshtestwo,
> to winagi wyrwi zaedno s mnogo drugi porochni qwleniq.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> ---
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> and separately, in each country, each government, each
> political party, and of course in the UN. I have spent all my
> life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society
> without any objective scale is a terrible one indeed. But a
> society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy
> of man either." (A. I. Solzhenitsyn)
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On July 23/96 > 
(Maria Egorov aka Albert Egorov)claimed:
    [----------------------------------------------------------------]
    [ I know lots of Hungarians in United States and other foreign   ]
    [ lands who are presenting the Romanians as Gipses.Advancing the ]
    [ idea that ROM=ROMANIAN=GYPSY.                                  ]
    [----------------------------------------------------------------]


On Aug 4/96  
(Maria Egorov aka Albert Egorov)claimed:
    [----------------------------------------------------------------]
    [ I know lots of Hungarians(+GERMANICS) in United States and     ]
    [ other foreign lands who are presenting the Romanians as Gipses.]
    [ Advancing the idea that ROM= ROMANY= ROMANIAN=GYPSY.           ]
    [================================================================]

On 4 Aug 1996 in another article
> (Maria Egorov) demanded:
    [----------------------------------------------------------------]
    [ Write a book or an article about your theory and then we tolk. ]
    [ As far as I know you MUST back up your theory with SOLID       ]
    [ ARGUMENTS in order to convince the scientific community (NOT   ]
    [ THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET) about its validity. Where are the    ]
    [ SOLID ARGUMENTS?.                                              ]
    [----------------------------------------------------------------]

Very interesting Mr&Ms, that hypocrites like you demand from others what you
refuse to demand of yourselves. This is largely due to the fact that you are
both INTELLECTUAL FRAUDS. Yes, you are both INTELLECTUAL FRAUDS. The fact
remains that Albert/Maria Egorov is completely unable to provide even a
single mushy arguement, let alone a SOLID ARGUEMENT, to support his/her
anti-Hungarian slander that s/he knows "lots of Hungarians in United States
and other foreign lands who are presenting the Romanians as Gipses." Go
ahead Albert/Maria, support your contention. I challange you here in this
public forum. Go ahead provide SOLID ARGUEMENTS or perhaps you are both
intellectual COWARDS. 

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