In article >, Aron Gereben  > wrote:
>Meg tudja nekem valaki mondani, hogy az Utas es Holdvilag, vagy a
>Pendragon-legenda megjelent-e valaha is angolul?
Angolul, nem tudom, de franciaul igen !

Olvasti

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elena danielyan wrote:

>    ;-) And you've got in exchange of such valuables as shoes
>         and clothes those marginal things like energy, oil, gas
>         and industry, and you still do, if i'm not mistaken ;-)

To some extent, Yes.
 
>      Absolutely, and i tell you to what extend. To the extend
>       that the countries begging to become a back-yard of NATO
>       while depending on Russian natural resources still recieve
>        the latter at the reduced price comparing to world rates.
>       When Russian government will stop talking about changing
>       economic policy towards those countries and start acting,
>        then guys with orwellian mentality like yours will think
>        about switching masters again.
 
It is not relevent where the oil is bought. There presently are
reductions 
on both sides and much of the reliance on Russian oil is out of
necessity 
since the system was set up by Moscow so that the former Republics could
not
easily form their own economies.

Apparently the concept of a free market economy frightens the Russian
leadership. The thought of democracy (free market economies can only
work in a democratic society) is a reality that the communists will not
permit even though Communism has proven to be a failure. Who suffers?
All the republics. The russian economy is a joke. There have not been
any substantial reforms and any attempts at such are opposed. Yes,
Ukraine is in the same shoes but, Ukraine's economy was purposely set up
in such a way to prevent it from easily transforming its economy. (As I
have already stated)
Does it hurt that much to admit that Russia is but a third world
country? 

Donald Mak
> 
> Elena

REMINDER
ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Revised Version)Version 3.0


The Hungarians does not look any more Mongoloids for the same reasons the
Turks in Istanbul
look European.

It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their roots
are Mongolic.

From Britannica :(Languages of the world)

"Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In general
they may be considered
a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western
groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin groups)
being strongly European and those of the Urals primarily Mongoloid".

From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (Byzantine
Emperor,950AD)

"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians) do not obey their own
particular princes...,They 
have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's
family..."
 

From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):

"We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great Huns of Attila".

From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin

"Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The Huns
with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the Mongol
invaders of Russia..."


From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.

"The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
peculiar name of Turks,
as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China to
the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".

From "The Cambridge Medieval History" edited by J.H.Hussey.

"The form ovyypoi,from which are derived the various names current to this
day among the people of Europe(Old Church Slavonic,UGRI;
Russian,VENGRI;German,UNGARN;English,HUNGARIANS;French,HONGROIS;Italian,UN
GHERESI,and so on)comes from the Turkic ethnic name ONOGUR meaning TEN
OGUR"

From "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler.

"We also hear of a fearful encounter which St.Cyril,the Apostle of the
Slav,had with a Magyar horde in 860,on his way to Khazaria.He was saying
his prayers when they rushed at him luporum more ululantes-HOWLING IN THE
MANNER OF WOLVES".

From "Britannica"(Languages of the world).

"Recent study indicates that it is posible to speak of a Uralic racial
type,an intermediate stage between the European and the Mongoloid,the
basic features of which are medium-dark to dark hair and eye
colour,relatively small stature and often a concave bridge of the nose".
(Hungary is part of Uralic racial type).

From "Britanica" Hungarian.


"The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of Ugric(Mongoloid)
and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were the
scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel man,is
a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).


From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.


"(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two sons,HUNOR
and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the
ancestor of the MAGYARS."

"The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so traumatic
that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians as
apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of the
Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades :(Their eyes are
sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine patience
for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
land)".


From "History of Hungary" By Denis Sinor


"Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians who
settled in the Danube valley were,spiritually and materially, Asiatics,
and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and India to
the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same type
as those used in Central Asia. As nomadic peoples generally do, the
Hungarians disliked towns,and even houses,to which they preferred tents.
According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth
century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents".

"It is, however quite certain that the Mongoloid type was well represented
among them (Hungarians), and that they were, on the whole, of rather short
stature, with short legs, bowed through continuous riding".

In article >, 
 says...
>
>On 2 Mar 1997 13:22:08 GMT, Istvan Lippai 
> wrote:
>>
>>Ha valaki 6 hosszu uzenettel bombazza a listat azok idezeseeivel akik a
>>'magyarok nyilaitol rettegtek' es csak tollal mertek szapulni az 
oseinket,
>>akkor annak nem nagyon orulok.
>
>Hasonlo tartalmu cikkekkel nem eloszor bombazza az az illeto a
>listankat.  Nem nehez megsaccolni az illeto nemzetiseget: olah vagy tot.
>Nyilvan kisebbsegi erzes szuli az ilyen rasszista indulatu cikkeket, ami
>mostanaban leginkabb az utobbiak kozott tapasztalhato.  Prototipusuk ez
>az Igor nevu megalomaniaban szenvedo vad tot, akinek van egy tobbszor
>ismetelt kihivasa a magyarok fele: mutassanak fel csak egy hires embert
>maguk kozul, aki valoban magyar volt. 
>
>Pannon J.
>

Jo, jo, de miert kell ugyanazt a story-t hatszor leadni?  ("Maga bolond, 
maga bolond, hogy mindent hatszor mond hatszor mond?" - Karinthy utan 
szabadon....)  Es ezt meg le sem tudom forditani valakinek, aki nem ert 
magyarul es nem ismery Karinthyt!

Agnes

On 4 Mar 1997 13:38:15 GMT, Istvan Lippai > wrote
:
>
>Nem volt olyan konnyu magyarnak lenni.  Az iteletet talan hagydd a
>tortenelemre.

Hat azert talan nem kene olyan sokaig varni azzal.  Ugyanis van eleg
bizonyitek arra, hogy a magyar cserkesz es tancos fiatalok semmivel sem
futottak be rosszabb karriert, mint azok, akiket a szuleik elszigeteltek
a kulturajuktol.

Pannon J. 
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I've seen this
>even at my older brother back in NJ, who is also a 56-er.  I think this 
is a
>totally false premise, repudiated by those kids who were very active in 
>the Hungarian Scout Movement in the US.
You might be right.
Since being active in the Scout movement, and being involved in AAYH, I 
have done many observations. Mainly, the 56-ers had a different vision 
when entering America. They chose to to provide a better life for their 
children by raising them American (whatever that means), or by offering 
them a a chance to learn from their ethnicity.  The Bognar family chose 
the former.  Only later did Steve choose to find out who he is. The 
56-ers were too involved in their professional careers and assimilatory 
trends, that they made a diservice to their children, I believe, and did 
not raise them Hungarian, or ethnic in a general sense of the term.

Teri Bicok

On 5 Mar 1997 03:06:00 GMT, Istvan Lippai > wrote
:
>4. A 113x5x10 sorot uzenetet visszakuldtem.
>5. Eltelt egy ket percig, de nem bantam.
>6. Ha kapna meg egy partol ilyen valaszt akkor lassan abba hagyna.

Hat nem tudom ...  Ez a modszer ugyanis egy ketelu fegyver.

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In article >, !nojunkmail'' says...
>
>Remember that nobody gave a shit about the East European countries in
>1945. The West just handed these countries to Stalin. And now, out of 
>a
>sudden they (read the US) started caring about you. The reason is bloo
>dy
>simple - they are only interested in spreading their influence and
>getting new markets (you'll also have to change *all* you military
>equipment, wouldn't you ?).

All that game is about  the  influence. However, now
Eastern Europe   has kind of a choice. If we screw it up, we will not have
anybody to blame.

If Russia wants their former slaves to stick with her, why doesn't
she put some reasonable offer that can not be rejected?

You know why Russia is not doing that? She does not have
anything to offer, or at least there is such an understanding.

Mr. Kudla
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On 4 Mar 1997 01:48:41 GMT, Charles Dombi > wrote:
>
>Franco Nero as Arpad? Are we supposed to believe that there
>wasn't a single suitable Hungarian actor to portray the founder
>of Hungary? What were the producers of this film thinking?
>I'm not sure they knew. Whatever their reasons, it shows very
>poor judgment.

I have a feeling that the film makers thought this was the only way the
film might have a chance in foreign distribution.
The needed a "name" in the main role. 

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RT765 > wrote

I would not argue with this gutless bastard.
I just returned 8 copies of its original message.
Istvan

In article >, 
(RT765) wrote:

> My ancestors were the ROMANS,yours were the HUNS.(NON EUROPEANS).

But the romans were not from Europe, honey bunny. They were part of the
Indo-European tribe that migrated from India (hence the name Indo in
Indo-European) and, they invaded the land of the Etruscans, an original
European people (like the Basques). And what did the noble romans do to
the original Europeans, like the Etruscans and Basques? They tried to
destroy them. In the end, of course, the Huns ravaged the roman empire.
The Kurds are also Indo-European, that is why you can see blond haired,
blue eyed Kurds. And you know where the Kurds live, don't you?

Gabor

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circles while each dance is going on. You may bring food or drink as an
optional donation to the snack table. Please bring dance footwear.

  Admission:  =09$4 (for non-members)=20

  Directions To "Starting Point Dance Studio:" =20

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(Baltimore Ave.)  South toward College Park. Go 14 lights (including the
light at the ramp), and turn left onto Calvert Road. The studio is in the
first building on the right, behind Clean & Lean Fitness Center.  Please
do not park on the street. Limited parking is available behind the
building, and there is a larger parking lot near the studio further up
(East) on Calvert Street on your right. From the College Park Metro,
please walk west on Calvert Street (towards Route 1)  and the studio is
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On 4 Mar 1997 02:26:53 GMT, Istvan Lippai > wrote
:
>
>Ahol a ferj az Apa es Anya magyar, ott van eleg jo esely arra, hogy a
>gyerekek mint magyarok nonek fel.

Esely lenne, de sajat tapasztalatom alapjan tudom, hogy sajnos az 56-os
szulok rosszabb munkat vegeztek a gyerekek magyarsagtudatanak
megtartasaban, mint a 45 utani DP-s bevandoroltak.

PJ

A.P.L. wrote:
> 
> Germany or Germans were never poor. Only ignorant and stupid.
> Apl
> 
> Yury Mukharsky > wrote in article
> >...
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Lena > writes: >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > Just stop for a minute and imagine that you live on one street with a
> > > > rapist, murderer and a robber. Would you feel safe even if the guy
> was
> > > > sort of quiet for a few years?
> >
> > Why are you so hard on poor Germany?
> >
> >

Germany = quiet for fifty years

Russia = quiet for five years (not including Chechnya)


Who should be more feared?




Dick Smegma, esq.
> >

REMINDER
ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Revised Version)Version 3


The Hungarians does not look any more Mongoloids for the same reasons the
Turks in Istanbul
look European.

It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their roots
are Mongolic.

From Britannica :(Languages of the world)

"Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In general
they may be considered
a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western
groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin groups)
being strongly European and those of the Urals primarily Mongoloid".

From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (Byzantine
Emperor,950AD)

"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians) do not obey their own
particular princes...,They 
have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's
family..."
 

From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):

"We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great Huns of Attila".

From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin

"Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The Huns
with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the Mongol
invaders of Russia..."


From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.

"The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
peculiar name of Turks,
as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China to
the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".

From "The Cambridge Medieval History" edited by J.H.Hussey.

"The form ovyypoi,from which are derived the various names current to this
day among the people of Europe(Old Church Slavonic,UGRI;
Russian,VENGRI;German,UNGARN;English,HUNGARIANS;French,HONGROIS;Italian,UN
GHERESI,and so on)comes from the Turkic ethnic name ONOGUR meaning TEN
OGUR"

From "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler.

"We also hear of a fearful encounter which St.Cyril,the Apostle of the
Slav,had with a Magyar horde in 860,on his way to Khazaria.He was saying
his prayers when they rushed at him luporum more ululantes-HOWLING IN THE
MANNER OF WOLVES".

From "Britannica"(Languages of the world).

"Recent study indicates that it is posible to speak of a Uralic racial
type,an intermediate stage between the European and the Mongoloid,the
basic features of which are medium-dark to dark hair and eye
colour,relatively small stature and often a concave bridge of the nose".
(Hungary is part of Uralic racial type).

From "Britanica" Hungarian.


"The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of Ugric(Mongoloid)
and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were the
scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel man,is
a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).


From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.


"(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two sons,HUNOR
and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the
ancestor of the MAGYARS."

"The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so traumatic
that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians as
apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of the
Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades :(Their eyes are
sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine patience
for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
land)".


From "History of Hungary" By Denis Sinor


"Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians who
settled in the Danube valley were,spiritually and materially, Asiatics,
and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and India to
the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same type
as those used in Central Asia. As nomadic peoples generally do, the
Hungarians disliked towns,and even houses,to which they preferred tents.
According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth
century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents".

"It is, however quite certain that the Mongoloid type was well represented
among them (Hungarians), and that they were, on the whole, of rather short
stature, with short legs, bowed through continuous riding".


There are many more credible sources like these.

My ancestors were the ROMANS,yours were the HUNS.(NON EUROPEANS).
Or I should say that your ancestors have lived as the GIPSY DID AND DOES, 
that is in TENTS.(Remember some of your ancestors in Finland, the LAPS OR 
LAPPS, HELL KNOWS HOW TO SPELL THESE HUNIC NAMES, STILL LIVE 
IN TENTS).