Hollosi Information eXchange /HIX/
HIX SCM 6
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1995-05-30
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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: MOKA (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Hungarian revisionism (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Hungarian Citizenship (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: vatra romaneasca, vagy mi a fene? (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: vatra romaneasca, vagy mi a fene? (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: vatra romaneasca, vagy mi a fene? (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: SCM reorganization, round two and a half / Re: Stil (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: separate HIX group (was: Still Life (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
9 Xposts between scr and scm (was:Re: Hungarian revisioni (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Hungarian revisionism (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: SCM reorganization, round two and a half / Re: Stil (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: SCM reorganization, round two and a half / Re: Stil (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Hungarian revisionism (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Still Life (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: USA: THE GREATEST, STRONGEST, MOST INFLUENTIAL NAT (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: separate HIX group (was: Still Life (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
17 mail (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re:MAgyar citizenship (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
19 Desperate student thanks (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: MOKA (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

a mo'ka az nem u'j szo'. csak neha elfelejtju:k. 
vigassa'g, mulatsa'g, mo'ka.

-bbela
+ - Re: Hungarian revisionism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

ATTENTION everybody!  The younger brother of Nostradamus is going to speak!
			    		   	      		 
On 29 May 1995, Janos Szamosfalvi wrote:

> Thus far (Yugoslavia) they haven't been affected very much, and if they 
> can stay out at this time they won't be affected significantly.
+ - Re: Hungarian Citizenship (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

i have several children born overseas. he must go to the embassy or
consulat, take:
4 pictures
birth certificate of father
checkbook (around $ 50.00)
time

and that should be it.

have fun:

bela
+ - Re: vatra romaneasca, vagy mi a fene? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kerem szepen, uraim, ez itt a soc.culture.magyar, nem a roman kultura 
internet-lapja! Maradjanak otthon Romaniaban, ne dumaljanak a magyarok 
internet page-ejen roman nyelven. Mi ezt nem ertjuk!
Hagyjanak abba, tunjenek el innet! Rohadt romanok!
+ - Re: vatra romaneasca, vagy mi a fene? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (F. Szilagyi) 
writes:
|>Kerem szepen, uraim, ez itt a soc.culture.magyar, nem a roman kultura 
|>internet-lapja! Maradjanak otthon Romaniaban, ne dumaljanak a magyarok 
|>internet page-ejen roman nyelven. Mi ezt nem ertjuk!
|>Hagyjanak abba, tunjenek el innet! Rohadt romanok!
|>

Remelem, ezt nem a kulturalis folenyunk jegyeben irtad,     Pali
+ - Re: vatra romaneasca, vagy mi a fene? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > F. Szilagyi,
 writes:
>Kerem szepen, uraim, ez itt a soc.culture.magyar, nem a roman kultura 
>internet-lapja !

Az iras Erdelyre, azt erdelyi magyarokra is vonatkozik, ezert
a soc.culture.magyar csoportba valo.

>Maradjanak otthon Romaniaban, ne dumaljanak a magyarok 
>internet page-ejen roman nyelven. Mi ezt nem ertjuk!

A soc.culture.magyarra *barmilyen* nyelven lehet irni.
Legfeljebb nem mindenki erti meg. Ha a szerzo azt szeretne,
hogy mindenki megertse irasat, akkor ugyis leforditja
magyarra vagy valami vilagnyelvre.

Ezen roman irassal kapcsolatban egyebkent szamitottam
arra, hogy lesz valaki, aki teljesen vagy reszleteiben lefor-
ditja magyarra, hiszen olvassak az scm-et romaniai
magyarok is. Hat ez most nem jott be....

>Hagyjanak abba, tunjenek el innet! Rohadt romanok!

Mondd, erre mi szukseg volt ?

Tamás
+ - Re: SCM reorganization, round two and a half / Re: Stil (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" <f
> writes:
 (CLARY Olivier) wrote:
>|Yes, this choice is already given now: digests on mail/gopher/WWW (WWW having
>|the bonus of accent handling), or separate news articles under hun.* (which
>|the whole world can access on a few Hungarian machines, as I wrote previously
)
>[...] typically you have to choose a different server to access hun.*
>- unless you chose reading everything from the hungarian server,
>slooooooooooooooowly.

Sztaki or IIF is not slower to me than my normal server (news.cict.fr, just
5 km away from here): the Hungarian backbone has now better connectivity
than many provincial German or Austrian Universities I have ftp'd to.
But other Hungarian sites are indeed usually deadly slow.

>Besides, gopher is a poor newsreader and WWW is not very good either
>(hopefully it will be one day, but who knows when).

I did not mention "mail/gopher/WWW" as newsreaders, but as the opposite of
the better solution of a newsreader used to read hun.* - and since I see
in your headers you use Netscape ("pronounce 'Mozilla'") for WWW, I can
say I find it is a rather satisfying newsreader (and you can easily change
NNTP servers with newsrc:// -style URLs)

>Furthermore, I think 'the
>whole world' above means only full-fledged Internet connection [...]

Yes, the NNTP access is in essence a telnet to a special port with a special
protocol, so if you cannot telnet you cannot access hun.* this way.

-- Olivier
+ - Re: separate HIX group (was: Still Life (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" <f
> writes:
 (CLARY Olivier) wrote:
>>[...] to have more NNTP servers offering hun.* to everybody. [...]
> This is a good idea (no wonder I suggested it early on :-)), and I think all
>it needs to get going is to make it carried on some servers in Austria, from
>where it would be picked up a lot easier than from the HU backwaters. [...]

As I just said, I think the Hungarian backbone is less of a backwater than
the average Austrian site... Though it would be more reasonable not to let
it serve the whole world, and to have such a server in a few well-connected
places around the world.

-- Olivier
+ - Xposts between scr and scm (was:Re: Hungarian revisioni (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > Dan Pop, 
writes:
>>What's the point in posting Romanian language article in s.c.m.?
>>Could we stay with English or Hungarian there?
>>Of course, the Hungarians should also not post Hungarian language
>>articles in s.c.r., but I haven't seen any so far.
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>You haven't been looking hard enough.
>
>Dan

I've just written a reply to an indignant Hungarian (he is,
because of Romanian xpost to scm) so I write a followup
here as well.

However I don't speak Romanian I personaly don't mind
Romanian xposts in scm when the text is related to Hungary
or the Hungarian minority in Romania.
If your stuff is  really important there always will be
someone who translates it to Hungarian or English
because we have readers being fluent both in Romanian
and Hungarian.

 At least we have undistorted, original copes.... :) :) :)

As a matter of fact I would not mind more German, French
letters in scm but it is another story.

Tamás
+ - Re: Hungarian revisionism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >
 "Larry B. Niculita" > writes:
>ATTENTION everybody!  The younger brother of Nostradamus is going to speak!
>On 29 May 1995, Janos Szamosfalvi wrote:
>> Thus far (Yugoslavia) they haven't been affected very much, and if they 
>> can stay out at this time they won't be affected significantly.

The advantage compared to Nostradamus is that it seems we will not have to
wait for many years to know whether Serbs will be affected or not... :-(
-- Olivier
+ - Re: SCM reorganization, round two and a half / Re: Stil (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (CLARY Olivier) wrote:

>I did not mention "mail/gopher/WWW" as newsreaders, but as the opposite of
>the better solution of a newsreader used to read hun.* - and since I see
>in your headers you use Netscape ("pronounce 'Mozilla'") for WWW, I can
>say I find it is a rather satisfying newsreader (and you can easily change
>NNTP servers with newsrc:// -style URLs)
 I can, and I do; netscape may be a good enough newsreader had SCM not been
what it is - but now I have to skip the HIX stuff on my normal server (no
killfiles - major backdraw for a program aspiring to be a newsreader), and to
read them in hun.* I have to initiate a different connection (which is still
slow thru transatlantic lines, even if better than most ther HU sites)... And
for real newsreaders you'd typically have to restart the program for reading a
different NNTP server!
-- 
Zoli , keeper of hungarian-faq
	SIG under construction!
+ - Re: SCM reorganization, round two and a half / Re: Stil (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" <f
> writes:
> I can, and I do; netscape may be a good enough newsreader had SCM not been
>what it is - but now I have to skip the HIX stuff on my normal server (no
>killfiles - major backdraw for a program aspiring to be a newsreader),

Quite right; I did not remember that. Really, kill files are a must.

>[...] And for real newsreaders you'd typically have to restart the program
>for reading a different NNTP server!

Errr... except if you are a perverse user like me and you write scripts
to massage the right way .newsrc .rnlock .oldnewsrc and the rest for
several rn/tin at a time - but this is masochism, I know :-)

-- Olivier
+ - Re: Hungarian revisionism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Constantin Donea ) wrote:
: That is what fuels PRM and PUNR in Romania. Those who refuse to admit
: the existence of the Hungarian revisionism are no way better than
: those who tend to overestimate it.
: Constantin Donea

On one occasion in Budapest I interviewed an activist who had been born 
in Transylvania. He was Magyar. He had gotten himself in trouble with 
Ceausescu's regime, did some prison time, got out, went to Hungary. He 
had had an audience with VP Bush in the White House as part of the lobby 
effort to block continuation of Most Favoured Nation status for Romania. 
His efforts failed.

Nevertheless, he was able to provide me with some names and the locations 
of various uranium mines where those convicted of crimes were sentenced 
to a slow death mining uranium. I was curious about this insofar as it 
related to my research concerning Cernavoda's nuclear reactors.

He was quite venomous about the Romanians. I noticed a map on the wall 
behind him displayed what could have been called "Greater Hungary" 
Interestingly, he must have taken note of me looking at it, because when 
I returned the following day to ask further questions, the map had been 
taken down.

I have heard many Hungarians speak bitterly about the Treaty of Trianon 
and the loss of "Hungarian territory". No one ever spoke openly to me of 
any hidden desire to reclaim it back, but I have no doubt that there are 
some who do. 
-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency
+ - Re: Still Life (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Gotthard Saghi-Szabo > writes:
 
>Why would he want to divide up the readers of the Hungarian USENET groups?  
>My oppinion is, if there is any division of the Hungarian groups, 
>that should be based on a similar system to that of used in HIX , or the 
>structuring of the USENET groups - topics, and not providers. Then, we 
>should place the appropriate HIX groups to the corresponding USENET 
>groups.
 
 
>Someone said 
>1, "put HIX into a separate group, I do not read it anyway" ;
>
>Zoli Fekete said:
>2, Hollosi Jozsef will provide a two-way mail-to-USENET service 
>   (gating) only for the soc.culture.magyar.hix group, and not for
>   any other group
 
I think that having a separate hix subgroup on Usenet would be a very good
idea.In my own case, I subscribe to most of the HIX groups, and receive it by
e-mail.I read it by first downloading it to my local PC and go through it off
line, saving connect time
..
I sign on to Usenet to get those messages that are not on HIX, and read them
on-line, since I can't seem to download them (yes, I know I can read them
quickly with my log file open).
Therefore, separating thye HIX and nonHIX stuff would be quite welcome -- at
least for me.
 
Charlie Vamossy
+ - Re: USA: THE GREATEST, STRONGEST, MOST INFLUENTIAL NAT (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >  "Thomas Jordan" writes:

> You're missing the point, Edwin. Singapore is one off the most oppressive 
> regimes in asia. People get executed for all sorts of things there. 
> Doughnut gets off on that. 
  Yeah i think it's Singapore and in a few of the other Countries around which
  are considered "modern" you can be held without charge for an indefinite
  period of time. There is no real democracy and the government actually
  appoints critics against itself instead of having an opposition.


-- 
all the best,

 _____
   |
\__/ ames Halliday          (  )
+ - Re: separate HIX group (was: Still Life (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

CLARY Olivier ) wrote:
: In article > "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" 
> writes:
:  (CLARY Olivier) wrote:
: >>[...] to have more NNTP servers offering hun.* to everybody. [...]
: > This is a good idea (no wonder I suggested it early on :-)), and I think al
l
: >it needs to get going is to make it carried on some servers in Austria, from
: >where it would be picked up a lot easier than from the HU backwaters. [...]

: As I just said, I think the Hungarian backbone is less of a backwater than
: the average Austrian site... Though it would be more reasonable not to let
: it serve the whole world, and to have such a server in a few well-connected
: places around the world.

How about creating one group under s.c.m and gatewaying the hu.* groups
into that subgroup?    It would be a bit cacophonic since all hu groups
would  end up in a single one, but it would definitely be better than 
nothing.
+ - mail (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szivessen leveleznek magyar emberekkel bar honnan, gyakorolni szuleim 
szep nyelvet.  27 eves vagyok es ketszer voltam latogaton 
Magyarorszagon.  Fordito szeretnek lenni, francia-angol es idovel magyar 
angoll.  Soha sem tanultam magyarul iskolaban, de mindig beszelunk itthon 
es Nagybatyammal.  
-- 
Richard E. Sipos
The world is wonderfull and so are you
Thanks for writing
See you soon!
+ - Re:MAgyar citizenship (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Since it came up recently, I have a question too.
I was born in Budapest I am now an US citizen.
I never "rejected" my hungarian citizenship.
What is my status ?? Dual citizen ? Do I need
a visa and how long could I stay in BP or could
I get a work visa ? Obviously I will never give
up my US passport, just like to go back for a
year or less. Any usable info will be appreciated.
Cheers
Andra's
+ - Desperate student thanks (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Everyone,

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to all of those who completed my questionnaire and thus contributed to
my linguistic research.

Special thanks to Laszlo Horvath, he knows why.

                                          Judit Fold

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