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Temakor: Pogany Jozsef

Pogany Jozsef 1886-ban szuletett Budapesten es 1939-ben halt meg a
Szovjetunioban. 1909-ben bolcseszdoktori oklevelet nyert Budapesten. Belepett
a szocialdemokrata partba es ujsagirokent dolgozott. Tobbek kozott a Vilag, a
Friss Ujsag es a Nepszava munkatarsa lett. 1918-ban A tudas c. szocialista
folyoiratot szerkesztette. A Karolyi-Berinkey idejen allamtitkari rangban
kormanybiztoskent a Katonatanacs elnoke volt. A Tanacskoztarsasag alatt
hadugyi, kulugyi, vegul kozoktatasugyi nepbiztos, a szekesfehervari II.
hadtest parancsnoka, a kommunista part ellenorzo bizottsaganak tagja volt. A
Tanacskoztarsasag bukasa utan Becsbe emigralt, majd Moszkvaban kotott ki.
1922-29 kozott a kommunista Internacionale agitacios es propaganda osztalyan
dolgozott. 1929 utan a SZU Terhivatalaban dolgozott. 1937-ben letartoztattak
es 1939-ben megoltek.

A Kortars c. folyoiratban van rola egy rovid cikk: Varga Jozsef: Pogany
Jozsef. Kultura-alkultura cimmel (1962/8).

Remelem, hogy mindez hasznosz lesz neked Peter (Nemenyi Peter Andras).
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Tamadas egy ellen tamadas mindenki ellen
Ismert ez a NATO cikkely, ilyen egyszeru szokimondason alapul a 
katonai garancia - amit most a Nyugat oly gyonyoruen MEGTAGA-
DOTT mind Magyarorszagtol, mind Ukrajnatol.  Amely 
"Bekepartnerseg a Mi Korunkban" klasszikus appeasement-tel ezeket 
a tersegeket gyakorlatilag politikai vakuumnak nyilvanitotta - "aki 
kapja marja" (illetve aki most elmarja az fogja megkapni).  Ukrajna
vakuumjaba be is fog szippantodni, pillanatok alatt, az Orosz 
ujbirodalmi hatalom, a kerdes csakis az, hogy hova NEM FOG?

Zsirinovszkij tegnapi Szerbiai latogatasakor hallottuk-lattuk (pl. a 
CNN-en), hogy a gyengebbek kedveert ANGOLUL KIMONDTA (mar 
amennyire tort angolsaga annak szamit, de a biztonsag es a suket-
nemak kedveert meg karjaval gesztikulalva is kifejezte, egbol
hullo bombakat mutogatva), hogy "amennyiben egyetlen bomba is
hullik Szerbiara, az -ami Zsirinovszkijt illeti- az Oroszorszag elleni
hadbalepesnek fog szamitodni". Mivel torokul es franciaul tokele-
tesen beszel, hasonlo "tamadas egy ellen tamadas mindenki ellen" 
deklaraciot a kozeljovoben a torok hataron is ki fog mondani (evvel 
Ormenyorszag "biztonsagat garantalja" majd) es a franciak szamara is 
sajat nyelvukon szogezi majd le, hogy a szlav szfera es german szfera 
kozti Europa-megosztas a lenyeg, am Franciaorszag sziveskedjek 
tartozkodni Romania "szavatolasatol", hiszen a NATO-t (amelynek 
Franciaorszag amugy sem tagja) elfelejtettek kiterjeszteni Romaniara. 
Penztartol valo tavozas utan pedig Zsiri reklamaciokat nem fogad el. 
(Ennel SOKKAL szemtelenebbeket is mondott, utobbi kijelenteset "Zsi-
ri, puha vagy!" ordibalassal fogja elkonyvelni a Nagy Orosz Nemzet).
Egyebkent is; ha Franciaorszag NATO-n KIVULI garanciat adna bar-
kinek, az megnyitna az utat, hogy Nemetorszag hasonlot tegyen 
masokkal. Igy a franciak melyen el fognak tunodni, hogy mennyit is 
er Romania.

Csak nehogy azt hidd, hogy kozben az "angolszaszok" partraszallnak a 
Balkanon, es felfele vonulva buffert alakitanak ki a german-szlav 
Europa utkozo zonajaban, Magyarorszagra alapitva. (Ezt a leheto-
seget 1943-ban es 1993-ban, vagyis otven evenkent szoktak 
elmulasztani). Meg csak azt se hidd, hogy ismet Europa, eppen 
(megint) Danzig vagy akar Konigsberg lesz a lobbanaspont, annak 
ellenere, hogy Konigsbergben amerikai es nemet penzen (!) epulnek 
lakasok az OROSZ katonak szamara - es az oroszok most PONT UGY 
MENNEK KI Kalinyingradbol, mint ahogy 1956 november 1-3 kozott 
MAGYARORSZAGROL "KI"MENTEK; vagyishogy ORIAS EROKKEL 
ELOZONLOTTEK, a terseg megszallasat elokeszitendo.  A Kalinyingradi 
katonai elozonles most a Baltikum hasonlo visszafoglalasanak napnal 
vilagosabb atkarolo hadmuveleti folyamata. (Elobb jon persze a 
Krim-i "kozvelemenykutatas", mit (sem) szol ilyesmihez a Nyugat)

Fura az, hogy Amerika Europabol valo kiszorulasa Europaban csupan 
visszaallitja azt az alapallapotot, hogy Europaban lenyegeben nincs 
helye Amerikanak. A nyugateuropai haboru ezert nem MINDJART 
jon, ahhoz elobb meg kell nezni, hogy spontan europai eroegyensuly 
a german es szlav szfera kozott felallithato-e?  (Ukrajnai haboru 
persze otpercmulva lesz, a Balkani es Kaukazusi mar regebben 
fortyog, de hat ezek a regionalis csetepatek ugyan kit erdekelnek?)

A katonai erejet mar lenyegeben visszanyert Szaddam szamara a 
tortenelmi tanulsag Amerika Vietnami haboruval az Azsiai 
kontinensrol, majd most szinte jatszi konnyedseggel Europabol valo, s 
napjainkra csaknem komplett kipasszirozasabol egyszeruen az, hogy 
HA AMERIKA EUROPABOL ILY ROHEJESEN KISZORITHATO, AKKOR A 
KOZEL-KELETROL, AHOL MEGISCSAK NEMI HOMOGEN MUZULMAN 
TULSULY LELHETO FEL, MOST MAR TENYLEG SEBESZILEG 
ELTAVOLITHATO.  (Aki Azsiat, majd most Europat, Oroszorszagot 
"leirja", vajon pont Kozel-Keleten fog eroskodni?)

Mar szinte latszik, ahogy a ket haver, Zsiri es Szaddam, valamint az 
Amerika-kiszoritosdi ujsutetu irani hive egyutt mossak labukat a 
melegtengerekben, s "mossak kezeiket" a Foldkozi tenger keleti 
partjanak habjaiban azon sajnalatos tenyen, hogy e kiszoritosdi 
heveben kisebb nemzetek tuz es viz koze szorulva felmorzsolodnak.

Nem gondolkodtak el a kedves olvasok azon, vajon miert oly nehez 
talalni barkit, aki hajlando most USA hadugyminiszter lenni?
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FORUM  Masodszor

Megegyszer bekuldom a kovetkezoket a FORUM-ba.  Ideje lenne mar , hogy 
egyesek olvassanak mast is, nem csak a kommunistak altal agyonhamisitott 
"magyar tortenelmet".   

 
Az alabbiakat Michael R. Marrus a Holocaust-al foglalkozo konyvebol
idezem.  Elnezest kerek az angolul nem tudoktol, de sem idom sem ambiciom
nincs leforditani a szoveget.
  
Marrus, Michael R., ed., 1989. "The Nazi Holocaust: historical articles  
	on the distruction of European Jews" n.4, v.2, Westport: Mekler. 

	Rothkircher, Livia., "Hungary- an Assylum for the Refugees of    
		     Europe."

p.524.
"It is a paradox that Hungary, the pioneer of anti-Semitic legislation in
Europe after the First World War, was, until the spring of 1944, the only
country in the German sphere of influence in which a large Jewish
community lived a relatively peaceful life, and, furthermore, served as a
refuge for thousands of Jewish refugees who had escaped from surrounding
countries."
p.527.
"The entry of the German Army into the 'Protectorate' of Bohemia and
Moravia (15.3.1939) caused a panic exodus of the Jews, and about one
thousand refugees found their way to Hungary.  It should be noted that, at
this time, Hungarian propaganda was trumpeting the praises of the Reich
and the Fuhrer by whos grace Hungary had also annexed the remnants of
Carpatho-Ukraine."
p.531.
"In spite of the aggravation of the situation [June 26,1941] in Hungary,
illigal border crossings did not cease.  In the spring of 1942, with the
liquidation of the Polish ghettos but mainly as a result of the mass
deportations of the Jews of Slovakia, the stream of refugees increased.
It is estimated that more than 10,000 Slovak Jews crossed the border into
Hungary during 1942. ... Many of the Slovak refugees spoke Hungarian and
had family and friendly ties with Hungarian Jews but, in spite of this,
they met with difficulties.  The local Jews, afraid of being punished by
authorities, hesitated to take them in.  p.532.  Only a relatively small
group came to the refugees' assistance and gave money to help them - most
of these were Zionists or members of the Orthodox Community.  The
indifference of Hungarian Jews to their fate caused great bitterness among
the refugees.        Gisi Fleishman, who knew the Hungarian Jewish
community well, complained bitterly that "they do not know what Jewish or
social solidarity is, and they are not even blessed with charitable
hearts."
p.534.
"The groups were quickly transferred to Budapest; of the day of their
arrival in the Hungarian capital one of the girls wrote:
'Immediately on our arrival to Budapest [1943] we began to look for Yoel
Brand in the synagogues of the Jewish Quarter.  How amazed we were to see
Jews, dressed in holiday clothes, - crowds of them - praying undisturbed. 
This was a sight we had long forgotten (for Poland had been 'judenrein'
for a long time).  In Dohany Street, where the great synagogue is,
Hungarian policemen in white gloves were directing the traffic.  Our
feeling was that the war had not yet reached Hungary and the people,
including the Jews, did not even want to know about it.  After hours of
searching we eventually found Yoel and he gave us actually the first
smile.'"
p.539.
"Some of the refugees in Hungary were victims of the mass deportation and
were sent to the extermination camps together with the local Jews.  But
considerable number continued to live in hiding in the Hungarian capital
until the liberation.  Their struggle  for survival during the months of
anarchy of the Szalasi regime is a story in its own right, replete with
exploits of supreme courage and sacrifice."  
       
	Braham, Randolph L. "The Kamenets Podolsk and Delvidek Massacres: 
		Prelude to the Holocaust in Hungary"

p.541.
"In its anti-Jewish policies of the thirties and forties, the Horthy
dominated ruling wing of the Right aimed not only to implement its own
anti-Semitic program, calculated to gradually DIMINISH and eventually
ELIMINATE the Jews' INFLUENCE in the country's ECONOMIC and CULTURAL life,
but also to appease the National Socialists at home and abroad.  As a
result of these policies, the Jews of Hungary were exposed to great
economic pressure and hardship and subjected to cruel and humiliating
system of discrimination.  NEVERTHELESS, they were able to survive in
RELATIVE physical safety until the GERMAN OCCUPATION."  (Kiemelesek
tolem B.Z.)  
p.548.
"The extermination of the Jews deported from Hungary was carried out
during August 27-28.  According to an eyewitness account, the deportees
were told that in view of a decision to clear Kamenets Podolsk of Jews
they would have to be re-located.  They were surrounded by units of the
SS, their Ukrainan hirelings, and Hungarian sappers' platoon, and,
together with the indigenous Jews of Kamenets Podolsk, were compelled to
march about ten miles to a series of craters created by bombings.*  There
they were ordered to undress and brought into the crossfire of
machine-guns.  Many of them were actually burried alive."                 
*  'Interestingly enough, while Hungarian sappers, probably of Swabian   
  background, participated in the massacres at K-P, other Hungarian units
were reported to have actually intervened on behalf of the persecuted Jews
of Galicia and the Ukraine.'           
p.557.
"The gruesome accounts of the atrocities perpetrated by Hungarian soldiers
[Delvidek] and gerdarmes on the orders of high-ranking officiers, most of
whom were of Swabian-German background, enraged most liberal-minded
Hungarians."
p.563.
"Aside from the atrocities against the tens of thousands of Jews in
Hungarian labor battalions on the Ukrainian front, the Kamenets Podolsk
and the Delvidek massacres were the two anti-Jewish mass 'actions'
initiated by the Hungarians prior to the country's occupation by the
Germans on March 19,1944.  Although grossly discriminated against and
compelled to live under deplorable socio-economic conditions, the Jews of
Hungary continued until that date to enjoy the protection of the Hungarian
State.  In fact, the Kallay Government (March 9, 1942-March 19,1944)
consistently rejected the German demands for the deportation of the Jews
and continued to provide haven to close to one million indigenous and
foreign Jews."

	    Erez, Zvi  "Horthy and the Jews of Budapest"
p.618.
"Today we are fully aware that not only the Jewish population in Hungary -
until the beginning of spring 1944, the only one in Europe not seriously
afflicted - but the Jewish issue in general did not figure in any way in
the strategic considerations of the Western powers and the Soviet Union."

Mindezt csak az igazsag kedveret, egy cseppet sem lekicsinyitve a magyar 
zsidosag martirjait!
Beirta Balazs Zoltan

Horthyt, es a magyarsagot, a haboru utan Magyarorszagot gyarmati sorsban 
tarto kommunistak, azok kiszolgaloi es egyes vilaghatalomra torekvo csoportok 
berhazugjai (ujsagirok, torteneszek stb.), az akkori vilaghatalmi valosagot 
szinte teljesen elvetve feketebbre festettek az ordognel is, ezzel bizonyitvan 
lopott orszaglasuk.  Negyven eves uralmuk alatt ez volt a "magyar tortenelem", 
igy tartottak a magyarsagot a bunossegi komplexus ordogi beklyojaban. 
Udvozlettel Balazs Zoltan

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Kedves Peter!
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John Pepper's Ulster haunbook [sic] / illustrations by Rowel Friers ; foreword
     by Billy Simpson 1987, c1986
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"Underground radicalism" an open letter to Eugene V. Debs and to all
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