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1 Re: *** FORUM *** #1507 (mind)  34 sor     (cikkei)
2 Horn es a hotelek (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
3 Libertarian platform Vresz (mind)  99 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Forum vita a nepvandorlasrol (mind)  65 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: *** FORUM *** #1507 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves NPA

> HVG 1994, Oktober 14.....Az Orszagos Takarekpenztar es a Kereskedelmi Bank
> Rt (OTP) es Soros Gyorgy kozotti targyalasok megszakadtak-jelentette be a
> mult heten  Horn Gyula miniszterelnok, egyuttal kozolte, hogy a tarsadalom-
> biztositasi onkormanyzatok 10-10 szazalekot kapnak majd reszvenyeibol. Soros
> Gyorgy 5 milliard forintos befektetesi ajanlatanak elutasitasa az OTP-resz-
> venyek arfolyamzuhanasat valtotta ki a tozsden kivuli reszvenykereskedelem-
> ben. .......Lapertesulesek szerint a targyalasok megszakadasanak kozvetlen
> okan az volt, hogy Soros Gyorgy-a KISEBBSEGI RESZVENYES VEDELMEBEN - a re-
> szesedese altal biztositottnal NAGYOBB BELESZOLAST akart kikotni maganak a
> bank osztalekpolitikajaval, uzletpolitikajaval es vezetoi kinevezesekkel
> kapcsolatban.                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mondj nekem 1 azaz 1 uzleti tranzakciot amelyben a felek nem a legtobbet
a legolcsobban akarjak megszerezni! Ezen belul termeszetesen sokat er hogy
ki szol bele a bank uzletpolitikajaba.Ezen tobben nyernek es tobben vesztenek
pl lasd a Nabiscot ket evvel ezelott, vagy a CBS NBC ABC folyamatban levo
versenyet a tobbiek megvasarlasaert. Az OTP vel kapcsolatban pedig a mult eleg
jol bizonyitja hogy az OTP vezetesenek fogalmuk sincs hogy kinek adjanak 
kolcson, es milyen feltetelekkel. Ebben en az EGVILAGON semmi furcsat nem
talalok, es ha egy dolgot bizonyit akkor AZT bizonyitja hogy SOros nem 
tartja markaban a magyar gazdasagot, ugyanis az ajanlatat elutasitottak.

Istvan

UI... egyenek eladosodasaval kapcsolatban - ami szerinted Soros celja -
biztos adosrabszolgava akarja tenni oket. Ilyet ha akarna se tehetne..
ki az a hulye aki egy olyan bankhoz menne ahol tobbet kernek a kolcsonert 
mint mashol?? Hogy o milyen kolcsonpolitikat akar megvalositani termesztesen
nem tudom, de az biztos hogy versenykepes akar lenni - ezek a franya uzlet
emberek mar csak ilyenek.

Istvan
+ - Horn es a hotelek (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Igen erdekesnek tartom, hogy mindket hosszaszolas a Horn-fele szalloda uggyel
kapcsolatban pozitivnek latja Horn Gyula szerepet. Ez azert erdekes mivel
kulfoldiek, vagy azok a magyarok akik mar hosszabb ideje elnek kulfoldon
altalaban elmarasztaloan irtak errol a temarol. Itt van peldaul valami amivel
kapcsolatban a ket csoport, marmint azok akik vagy otthon elnek, vagy pedig
csak ideiglenesen tartozkodnak kulfoldon, es azok, akik egy idosebb
generaciohoz tartoznak es allandon jelleggel tartozkodnak kulfoldon teljesen
maskeppen gondolkodnak.

A kulfoldi ujsagok, eppenugy mint a politika irant erdeklodo kozonseg,
szerint egy alairott szerzodest nem lehet egyszeruen egy oldalrol felrugni es
hirtelen kijelenteni, hogy mar pedig mind a targyalasokat mind pedig a
megegyezest semmisnek nyilvanitjuk, es kezdhetjuk megint az egesz targyalast
elorol. A nyugati penzvilagban ilyenfajta dolgok ismeretlenek. A volt
Szovjetunioban es Kinaban szoktak ehhez hasonlo dolgok tortenni a nyugati
uzletemberek oriasi megrokonyodesere.

A HVG szerint ez mar a masodik alkalom, hogy a szallodak eladasat
megakadalyoztak. Ugyanakkor a HVG szerint ezek a szallodak videki szallodak
es ezert nem lehet olyan nagy penzeket kapni ertuk, mint peldaul az
Intercontinentalert.

Balogh Eva
+ - Libertarian platform Vresz (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

10. FREEDOM OF RELIGION
    We defend the rights of individuals to engage in (or abstain from) 
any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. 
In order to defend freedom, we advocate a strict separation of 
church and State. We oppose government actions that either aid or 
attack any religion. We oppose taxation of church property for the 
same reason that we oppose all taxation. We oppose the harassment of 
churches by the Internal Revenue Service through threats to deny 
tax-exempt status to churches that refuse to disclose massive 
amounts of information about themselves.
    We condemn the attempts by parents or any others - via kidnappings 
or conservatorships - to force children to conform to any religious 
views. Government harassment or obstruction of religious groups for 
their beliefs or non-violent activities must end.
      11. THE RIGHT TO PROPERTY
    There is no conflict between property rights and human rights. 
Indeed, property rights are the rights of humans with respect to 
property, and as such, are entitled to the same respect and 
protection as all other human rights.
    All rights are inextricably linked with property rights. Such rights 
as the freedom from involuntary servitude as well as the freedom of 
speech and the freedom of press are based on self-ownership. Our 
bodies are our property every bit as much as is justly acquired land 
or material objects.
    We further hold that the owners of property have the full right to 
control, use, dispose of, or in any manner enjoy, their property 
without interference, until and unless the exercise of their control 
infringes the valid rights of others. We oppose all violations of 
the right to private property, liberty of contract, and freedom of 
trade done in the name of national security. We also condemn current 
government efforts to regulate or ban the use of property in the 
name of aesthetic values, riskiness, moral standards, cost-benefit 
estimates, or the promotion or restriction of economic growth.
    We demand an end to the taxation of privately owned real property, 
which actually makes the State the owner of all lands and forces 
individuals to rent their homes and places of business from the 
State.  We condemn attempts to employ eminent domain to municipalize 
sports teams or to try to force them to stay in their present 
location.
    Where property, including land, has been taken from its rightful 
owners by the government or private action in violation of 
individual rights, we favor restitution to the rightful owners.
      12. PROTECTION OF PRIVACY
    The individual's right to privacy, property, and right to speak or 
not to speak should not be infringed by the government. The 
government should not use electronic or other means of covert 
surveillance of an individual's actions or private property without 
the consent of the owner or occupant. Correspondence, bank and other 
financial transactions and records, doctors' and lawyers' 
communications, employment records, and the like should not be open 
to review by government without the consent of all parties involved 
in those actions.
    We support the protections provided by the Fourth Amendment and 
oppose any government use of search warrants to examine or seize 
materials belonging to innocent third parties. We also oppose police 
roadblocks aimed at randomly, and without probable cause, testing 
drivers for intoxication and police practices to stop mass transit 
vehicles and search passengers without probable cause.
    So long as the National Census and all federal, state, and other 
government agencies' compilations of data on an individual continue 
to exist, they should be conducted only with the consent of the 
persons from whom the data is sought.
    We oppose all proposed regulations of civilian research on 
encryption methods. We also oppose government classification of such 
research or requirements that deciphering methods be disclosed to 
the government.
    If a private employer screens prospective or current employees via 
questionnaires, polygraph tests, urine tests for drugs, blood tests 
for AIDS, or other means, this is a condition of that employer's 
labor contracts. Such screening does not violate the rights of 
employees, who have the right to boycott such employers if they 
choose. Private contractual arrangements, including labor contracts, 
must be founded on mutual consent and agreement in a society that 
upholds freedom of association. On the other hand, we oppose any use 
of such screening by government or regulations requiring government 
contractors to impose any such screening.
    We oppose government regulations that require employers to provide 
health insurance coverage for employees, which often encourage 
unnecessary intrusions by employers into the privacy of their 
employees.
    We oppose the issuance by the government of an identity card, to be 
required for any purpose, such as employment, voting, or border 
crossing.
    We further oppose the nearly universal requirement for use of the 
Social Security Number as a personal identification code, whether by 
government agencies or by intimidation of private companies by 
governments.
      13. GOVERNMENT SECRECY
    We condemn the government's use of secret classifications to keep 
from the public information that it should have. We favor 
substituting a system in which no individual may be convicted for 
violating government secrecy classifications unless the government 
discharges its burden of proving that the publication:
     a. violated the right of privacy of those who have been coerced into 
revealing confidential or proprietary information to government 
agents, or    b. disclosed defensive military plans so as to materially 
impair the capabilities to respond to attack.
    It should always be a defense to such prosecution that information 
divulged shows that the government has violated the law.
+ - Re: Forum vita a nepvandorlasrol (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

A kozelmultban a Forumon heves eszmecsereket kivalto (al)hir eljutott
Magyarorszagra is. Idezem a ma erkezett Hirmondot:
 
 
From:    IN%""   "Hungarian-News-Distribution"
Subject: HIRMONDO 6.007, 95/01/16
 
------------egyeb vonatkozasu hirek torolve------------------------------
 
Zsidotelepites Magyarorszagra - Kanadai ujsag budapesti hire - Boross
cafol, Solymar fel (Uj Magyarorszag)
 
Az Uj Hidfo cimu kanadai magyar nyelvu lap Budapestrol kapott
informacioi szerint 200 ezer, nagyreszt ukrajnai zsidot szandekoznak
Magyarorszagra telepiteni.  A lap ugy tudja, az MSZP-SZDSZ kormany errol
George Soros kozvetitesevel mar az ev eleje ota targyal a Zsido
Vilagtanaccsal, a Valutaalappal es Ukrajnaval.
 
Sot elkezdtek az elso telepules felepiteset Solymar tersegeben, es
folytatni kivanjak Pilisborosjenon, Pilisvorosvaron es Nagykovacsiban,
vagyis ott, ahonnan 1945-tol brutalis korulmenyek kozott svabok ezreit
internaltak.
 
[A lap megkerdezett a hirrol nehany szemelyt; valaszukat roviditve
kozoljuk, a szerk.]
 
Boross Peter: Ugy gondolom, ez a hirterjesztes tendenciozus.  Egy idoben
a kinaiakkal riogattak bennunket...  Az ilyen alaptalan allitasokra vevo
az emberi butasag...  Megyozodesem, a jelenlegi kormanytol is tavol all
ez a szandek.  Raadasul allampolgarsagot csak torvenymodositassal tudna
adni 8 evnel rovidebb idon belul, ahhoz pedig a parlament dontese
kellene, ugyhogy ez az egesz egy nagy kolteszet...
 
Az izraeli kovetseg sajtotitkara:  A felvetest mar onmagaban is
nevetsegesnek es minden alapot nelkulozonek talalja.  Ez egy ugynevezett
vandor hir, regota idorol-idore felbukkan, de konkretummal meg senki sem
hozakodott elo.
 
A solymari jegyzo:  Fel vagyunk haborodva, ez nem jatek, ez
kegyetlenseg, es felelmet ebreszt.  Tolunk, az unkormanyzattol epitesi
engedelyt nem kertek, velunk nem targyaltak, mi nem tudunk semmirol.
Trefanak ocsmany, valosagnak ijeszto.
 
 
Egy rendes ujsag (NSZ)
 
Alhirt egy rendes ujsag akkor kozol, ha meg akarja cafolni.  Alhirnek
egy rendes ujsag akkor jar utana, ha ugy veli, fontos, hogy olvasoi
megtudjak az igazsagot.
 
Az Uj Magyarorszag penteki szamanak a cimlapjan, kozvetlenul a lapfej
alatt olvashatjuk a felcimet: Kanadai ujsag budapesti hire - Boross
cafol, Solymar fel.  Alatta pedig az oldalt uralo nagy betukkel:
Zsidotelepites Magyarorszagra.  A cikkbol persze kiderul, hogy a
hiresztelesnek nincs semmi alapja...
 
Rendes ujsag remhirt azert kozol, hogy megnyugtassa olvasoit.  Az Uj
Magyarorszag felelmet akar kelteni...  S mindezt teszik mindossze negy
nappal azutan, hogy az uj vezetoseg, az uj tulajdonos, az uj kuratorium
megfogadta, hogy az Uj Magyarorszag rendes ujsag lesz.
 
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