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1 Re: Szent szex. (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
2 anyagias kornyezetvedelem? (mind)  48 sor     (cikkei)
3 meadows-rovat (mind)  112 sor     (cikkei)
4 CEU allas (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Szent szex. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Ez a folytatasokban megjelent Szent Szex egy akkora marhasag, hogy 
ehhez hasonlo nincs. 
Hogy kerul ez ide a kornyezetvedelmi rovatba?
+ - anyagias kornyezetvedelem? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> Mostanaban mar szerencsere mind tobbet beszelunk kornyezetunk folyamatos
> karosodasarol, ellenben meg mindig nagyon keveset teszunk a vedelmezesere.
Na, azert nem olyan nagyon keveset. Csak rendkivul lassan halad a dolog.
Radikalis valtozashoz nagyon sok dologrol kellene rovid idon belul lemondani,
amire aligha lennenek kepesek az emberek.
> Mint sok mas dolgot, ezt is csak az anyagiak oldalarol tudjuk 
> szemlelni. Pedig nem csak penz kerdese a kornyezet vedelme,
Nem ez a gond. Ez a szemlelet kenyszeruseg. A kornyezetvedelem is 
komoly beruhazasokkal jar. Penze leginkabb a vallalatoknak van. Ok 
viszont gazdasagi megfontolasok, megterulesi szamitasok alapjan koltik
a penzuket. Ergo, muszaj oket anyagilag erdekeltte tenni. Ha egy 
vezerigazgato csak "zold" szemlelet alapjan dontene, es ezt nem tudna 
profitra is bevaltani, a kovetkezo kozgyulesen repulne.

> De amig ez megtortenik, a kornyezet karositoit kellene megtalalni, s ugy
> megbuntetni oket, hogy elmenjen a kedvuk ettol a tevekenysegtol.
Ezek a karositok sem csak ugy l'art pour l'art szennyezik a kornyezetet, 
hanem jobbara olyan javak eloallitasa kozben, amelyeket mindannyian 
fogyasztunk. Ha csak szimplan megbuntetik oket, akkor egesz egyszeruen
ezt a koltseget is beleepitik a termek araba. Ha meg ugy nem piackepesek,
akkor becsukjak a boltot, elbocsatjak a dolgozokat es megszunik az 
adofizetesuk is. Nem veletlen, hogy a buntetes mellett normalisabb helyeken
valamifele kedvezmeny adasaval is terelik a cegeket a kornyezetbarat 
technologia bevezetese fele. Mez es korbacs egyideju hasznalata.

> A legnagyobb felelosseg az oktatasra harul.
Ez nem ketseges. Ehhez kapcsolodik kedvenc vesszoparipam a mindennapi
kornyezetvedelemrol. Kb. felevente el szoktam itt is mondani, ugyhogy most
elmarad :)
> A fiatalok meg nevelhetok,
Szerintem az idosebbek is. Csak mas modszerekkel. Bar, ahogy neha a
korulottem elo embereket elnezem, ketsegeim tamadnak. Mindenesetre 
lattam mar olyat, hogy szelektiv szemetgyujtes, es az idosebbek is 
alkalmazkodtak hozza, pedig ok aligha tanultak meg gyerekkorukban.
(szo, ami szo, nem itthon, hanem Ausztriaban)
> fogekonyak, ha sajat jovojukrol van szo.
Ez viszont nem all. Epp az a fiatalok nevelesenek egyik sarkalatos pontja,
hogy a nevelo kepes-e kialakitani bennuk a het vegenel tavolabbra mutato
jovokepet. Csak meg kell nezni akarmelyik gyereket, amelyik a kirakatnal
kovetelozik, hogy neki most azonnal kell az, amit kinezett. Nem szulinapra,
nem holnapra. A fiatalok neveleseben csak annyi a konnyebbseg, hogy ok 
meg kotelezo jelleggel iskolaba jarnak, es ott egy kupacban vannak, ahol 
- elvileg - egyszeruen lehet a gondolkodasukra hatni.


+ - meadows-rovat (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)


	"I take complete responsibility," the president said solemnly, while
doing no such thing.

	It's far too easy, this "taking responsibility."  Having done something
stupid or despicable, public figures duck and deny and delay.  Finally, when
the truth comes out and they have no other choice, they put on contrite faces
and "take responsibility."

	What does that mean?  What would it have meant if President Clinton
had, as he was urged to do, "taken responsibility" for slavery while he was in
Africa.  What does it mean when a crazed Northern Ireland splinter group
eagerly "takes responsibility" for blowing innocent civilians to smithereens? 
What does the president mean when he says he takes responsibility for lying
repeatedly about a mindless sexual dalliance?

	As near as I can figure, it means "yes, I did it."  It does not seem to
mean "I'm sorry I did it," though it may mean "I'm sorry you found out."  It
contains no hint of "I've learned my lesson and I'll never do it again" or "I
have done harm, which I will amend by taking the following steps by the
following deadlines."  In short, it bears no relation to responsibility.

	"Responsible," says my ancient unabridged dictionary.  "Expected or
obliged to account; answerable; accountable; able to distinguish between right
and wrong; trustworthy; dependable; reliable; able to pay debts or meet

	Garrett Hardin, a great systems thinker, defines responsibility as
taking onto oneself the full impact of one's own actions.  He pointed out that
the world's workable systems have "intrinsic responsibility" built into them. 
The pilot sits in the front of the plane, experiencing the consequences of his
or her decisions right along with the passengers.  In a small business the same
people put up the investment, make the decisions, and reap the profits or
losses.  In a town meeting citizens vote directly on the budget that determines
how they will be taxed.

	It's distressingly difficult to think of examples of intrinsic
responsibility and all too easy to think of the opposite.  It's so tempting, so
convenient, to spin off the consequences of one's actions onto others.  Build
on a floodplain, then ask for public assistance when the flood comes.  Run up
enormous business debts, fire long-time workers, pull jobs out of communities
that were built around those jobs, dump toxins into the environment, then walk
away with a golden parachute.  Stir up a war and send others off to fight it. 
Pass laws from which you specifically exempt yourself and your friends.

	Or make repentant noises about one's third embarrassing affair while in
public office, doing nothing about the shattered public trust and private lives
you have left in your wake.

	The president, who is a good talker, did talk of responsibility.  "I
must put it right and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to do so," he said,
offering no specifics.  The following morning I asked around the office what
people thought "putting it right" would look like.  Here's what I heard. 
Public admission of a deep emotional failing, an addictive need to boost a
fragile ego with the sexual favors of female underlings.  Self-insightful
discussion of the uses and abuses of power.  An acknowledgment that women, no
matter how attractive, silly or willing, are not toys.  Repayment of the legal
costs and personal damages of the many friends and staff drawn into the web of
denial.  Entering treatment to recover from sexual compulsion and power
addiction.  Resignation from office, whether legally mandated or not, on the
grounds of having lied to the people.

	That last step -- unthinkable for a fragile ego that needs to be
propped up with power -- would also be politically brilliant, several folks in
my office pointed out.  It would take the wind out of the malignant sails of
Kenneth Starr.  It would put Al Gore into incumbent status, the last thing the
Republicans want.  The nation would admire Clinton for his courage, instead of
pitying or condemning him for his weakness.

	We got carried away, that morning-after in the office.  We went on to
imagine a wave of actual responsibility washing over all the actors in this
sordid drama.

	Monica Lewinsky would forswear the limelight, refuse to write a book,
find worth in her own self instead of in seducing power.

	Hillary Clinton would set an example for many other betrayed wives by
ceasing to tolerate her husband's compulsion, laying down inflexible conditions
for the continuation of their marriage, and supporting him with tough love to
meet those conditions.

	The broadcast media would stop titillating us and start informing us,
actually distinguishing between the relative importance of various breaches of
public trust.  They would clean up the "entertainment" they put out, so young
people would not grow up believing that Clinton's or Lewinsky's behavior is in
any way admirable.

	The enemies of Bill Clinton would admit their envy and spitefulness,
their joy in the shame of another, their hypocrisy insofar as they themselves
have committed any of the kinds of acts they have, falsely or truly, blamed on
him.  They would devote their lives to prayer and good works and making
restitution to the Clinton family.

	Republicans in Congress would reign in the frothing extremists in their
party and immediately rewrite the independent prosecutor law.

	Then there's the rest of us.  We elected this whole sorry bunch.  We
have let presidents before this one get away with far worse lies than this one.
We tune in the hyperventilating media, salivate over the rumors, take horrified
delight in the fall of the powerful.  We have forgotten that the government and
the power are, in fact, ours.  If our leaders have no integrity, if our
politics is full of distortion and character assassination, if our
representatives serve the money instead of the people, if the media deliver
muck to our minds, if we tolerate all this abuse in silence or with a snigger
or with detached cynicism, we are ultimately responsible.

	 What do we need to do to put it right?

(Donella H. Meadows is an adjunct professor of environmental studies at
Dartmouth College.)
+ - CEU allas (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

(mivel az allas magas szintu angol nyelvtudast feltetelez, az 
allaskiiras is angolul van, bocsanat az angolul nem tudoktol)


The Department of Environmental Sciences and Policy is accepting
applications for the position of Research Assistant.

Duties include:
Maintenance of the Environmental Software Collection and occasional
  development of additional software;
Maintenance of the Environmental Standards Database;
Providing user support and acting as a liaison between the 
  Department, the Information Technology Support Unit and the 
  Environmental Laboratory at the CEU Center on Kerepesi ut; 
Maintenance of the Department Web Site;
Coordination of daily technical arrangements for lectures and 
  multimedia presentations;
Assist professors with various research projects;
Compiling and updating of student and staff directories.

Ideal candidates should have a background in computer programming and
have a working knowledge of GIS (Geographical Information Systems),
current Windows programs and HTML.  Fluency in English is a must, and
a working knowledge of Russian would be very helpful.

Please send a cover letter plus C.V. or resume and list of three
references whom we may contact to the address below as soon as
possible.  Applications will also be accepted via e-mail to: 
>.  Interviews will be held the second week of