In > T. Kocsis > writes:

>After a little calculation on my fingers I concluded that Matthias
>must had y % ( 50<=y<=25) Romanian blood in his circulation sys-
>tem.
>
>That means that  possibly he was the person who reached the hig-
>hest rank and political power in European history with Romanian
>origin.  Don't forget that, that time his kingdom was one of the
>strongest in Europe, which strength Hungary (not to mention Ro-
>mania) could not manage to reach again.
>
>Then why the hell does Funar want to remove his statue from
>Kolozsvár/Cluj ? Is he simply such a moron, or I just missed some
>deeper meaning in the Romanian political mythology ???

The former variant is the right one: he's simply a moron (most PUNR
leaders are).

Matthias is one of the very few Hungarian kings whose name is even
mentioned in Romanian history manuals (as Matei Corvin).

Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

T. Kocsis > wrote:

> Is he simply such a moron

Yes, he is! And only a moron couldn't see it ;^)

Dorin Taranul

In >  (Ad
rian Precup-Pop) writes:

>  REGARDING           Re: SCM: RE: Flag ban law passed
>
>Tom Angi wrote:
>
>>The spelling "Romania" is advocated by those who accept the theory of
>>Daco-Rumanian continuity.

>You do not have to advocate a spelling, you just have to look it up in a
>dictionary or use a spell checker.

Did you follow your own advice?  The Webster lists three different
spellings: Rumania, Roumania and Romania, but the last two are simply
pointers to the first, which seems to be the preferred spelling in
English (both British and American).

This is consistent with the German (Rumaenien) and French (Roumanie)
spellings.  Other languages are free to ignore our own ideas about the
right spelling of our country name, the same way we do with the
Romanian names of other countries: Anglia (England), Finlanda (Suomi),
Germania (Deutschland), etc.

Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

Adrian Precup-Pop ) wrote:

: _"Rumania"_ should be _"Romania"_
: Simple, isn't it?

: >The spelling "Romania" is advocated by those who accept the theory of
: >Daco-Rumanian continuity.
: You do not have to advocate a spelling, you just have to look it up in a

: dictionary or use a spell checker.
: Did you ever read the newsgroup title??

An almost verbatim quote from Webster's New World Dictionary 
of the American Language:

Rumania  [...]  same as Romania  - Rumanian adj., n. 

I omitted the pronunciation guide (I put "[...]" there) and the center
dots showing syllabification.

My only comment is that while Rumanians have the power to call themselves 
anything they wish, I don't think they can change American English, even 
if it's just a couple of entries.

Janos Szamosfalvi ) wrote:
: Bokor, which could be translated as 'bush' or 'shrub' is really a 
: nondescript name that can come from basically anywhere in Hungary.

(;-))

d.A.

In article > Janos Szamosfalvi,
 writes:
>My only comment is that while Rumanians have the power to call themselves 
>anything they wish, I don't think they can change American English, even 
>if it's just a couple of entries.

We had a similar debate: Magyar versus Hungarian. Both word can
be found in the dictionaries. We voted to keep the less frequently
used, unusual one, the Magyar, and our group is still called soc.cul-
ture.magyar.
This Rumanian versus Romanian debate sucks. Everybody around
knows that they hate the 'Rumanian' version. No lingusitic nit-
picking can cover up the intent of hurting them.  I have no problem
with flamewars as far as it is done with some style. This calling
each other by names is very childish, stupid. Besides it is *very*
boring to read the same stuff in every half-year.

If you are so obsessed with that 'u' letter then start to write them
in German.

Tamas

Just an example of what Rumanians write when they have no smart thoughts, I 
enclose an e-mail received a couple of minutes ago. I leave the judgement up to
the reader, and I apologize for the content, even that I did not write these 
words.
-------------------- Insert text from mail -----------------------
Date: 27 Sep 1995 15:26:24 -0400
From: Adrian Precup-Pop >
Subject: Romania, strange huh?
To: Gyorgy Kovacs >
Status: OR
  REGARDING           Romania, strange huh?

Check this with your spell checker and keep the errors to yourself:
Boszomeg az anyad picsyaya...
or fuck your mother's pussy!

In article >,
Adrian Precup-Pop > wrote:
>  REGARDING           Re: SCM: RE: Flag ban law passed
>
>Tom Angi wrote:
>>The spelling "Rumania" is prefectly correct in refering to the country
>that
>>lies to East of Hungary!
>_prefectly_ should be _perfectly_
>_refering_ should be _referring_
>_to East_ should be _to the East_
>_"Rumania"_ should be _"Romania"_
>Simple, isn't it?
>
>>The spelling "Romania" is advocated by those who accept the theory of
>>Daco-Rumanian continuity.
>You do not have to advocate a spelling, you just have to look it up in a
>dictionary or use a spell checker.
>Did you ever read the newsgroup title??
>
So the sentence should read: The spelling "Rumania" is perfectly correct 
referring to the country that lies South-East of Transylvania.
My spell checker always accepts Rumania, but not Romania. Strange huh?

Gyuri

Janos Szamosfalvi wrote:
>My only comment is that while Rumanians have the power to call
themselves
>antything they wish, I don't think they can change American English

I am quoting from The Oxford Dictionary of Current English,
Oxford University Press, 1992:
Romanian 1. of Romania
         2. native or language of Romania
Rumanian var. of Romanian.
         ---

I did not know that there is a language called American English.
FYI, check an English list of countries in the United Nations.
Did you watch the football/soccer World Cup 1994 in USA?
There was a country playing in Group 1, and winning it, called Romania,
not Rumania, by the English speaking and writing commentators. 
Try also the list of USA embassies and check the correct spelling.
Again, check the newsgroup title.
Do you want quotes from English language newspapers?

Milyen formaban lehetne tudomast szerezni a feltett kerdesekrol es az adott 
valaszokrol? Ketlem, hogy a sajto teljes reszletekben kozolne mindent es nem 
biztos, hogy ok (mar mint a sajto) ugyanazt nezi fontosnak, jellemzonek mint
mi.

Marci